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0 pointsvageli7y ago0 comments

> If this is expensive to you, then it’s not for you. This is for people who are making real money with these tools, not hobbyists dicking around.

That's an odd perspective. Imagine if this type of sentiment were applied to paint brushes. There is a lot of useful work that is not economically viable per se, and to discount that and to be pejorative feels wrong.

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supermw7y ago· 4 in thread

If you are using these tools you are either defending systems from threats or breaking into systems and making money through illegal activities. There is not really any other useful work you can do with these tools.

I don’t see how the perspective is odd. Having tools like Core Impact and the knowledge of how to use them well can propel you to a six figure income easily. On top of that these tools are also business expenses you can use for tax write offs.

They are certainly worth the investment. The only people who see the price as steep are those who cannot see any viable way to make a decent ROI off them.

Godel_unicode7y ago

Google "video game modding ida".

Then think about the fact that some people are poor and can't float thousands of dollars long enough to learn and get employed with tools like this.

thecatspaw7y ago

and to be quite honest, its just fun to me to reverse a program

supermw7y ago

I don't think about those people, here's why:

1) No one is entitled to a career in cybersecurity or reverse engineering, no matter how poor or sad your origin story is.

2) There are always lucrative opportunities in this world that are out of reach by people who lack some resource. In this case, it's money, but it could easily just have been something like popularity, beauty, connections, location, or even plain old brains.

I always wanted to be popular and loved by many, but I came to accept long ago that it just wasn't going to happen. I'm an introvert, I keep to myself a lot, don't get much pleasure from social outings, and at the end of the day people just don't give a fuck about weird people like that. So I just try to enjoy the gifts I do have and the things that come naturally to me. We all have to accept the realities of our lives at some point, even the poor.

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Fnoord7y ago

If you are studying to become a (paid) professional in the field, be it offensive or defensive, having a quality, open source, free tool available which is also the defacto standard is a big plus for getting you started. Elitist will fear such competition, those with love for the field of work will endorse it.

_jal7y ago

It is less odd if you look at it from the perspective of a professional in the field. Being expensive (and a little mean about it) discourages potential competitors from entry.

Not necessarily nice, but it makes sense.

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supermw7y ago· 4 in thread

They are certainly worth the investment. The only people who see the price as steep are those who cannot see any viable way to make a decent ROI off them.

Godel_unicode7y ago

Google "video game modding ida".

Then think about the fact that some people are poor and can't float thousands of dollars long enough to learn and get employed with tools like this.

thecatspaw7y ago

and to be quite honest, its just fun to me to reverse a program

supermw7y ago

I don't think about those people, here's why:

1) No one is entitled to a career in cybersecurity or reverse engineering, no matter how poor or sad your origin story is.

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Fnoord7y ago

_jal7y ago

It is less odd if you look at it from the perspective of a professional in the field. Being expensive (and a little mean about it) discourages potential competitors from entry.

Not necessarily nice, but it makes sense.

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