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0 pointspetilon7y ago0 comments

React, Redux and other such libs solve the problem while overcomplicating the programming model. My point is that 99% of applications don't need the complexity introduced by surgically making the smallest possible change in the DOM to refresh the page. There are simpler libs out there that eliminate 99% of the complexity of React, Redux etc while providing 99% of the benefits.

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s_y_n_t_a_x7y ago· 2 in thread

You don't get much simpler than Redux.

And React by itself is very simple, you don't even have to use JSX. It's a great templating library, with great documentation and a huge community.

petilonOP7y ago

>You don't get much simpler than Redux.

Not true. With Redux you write reams of actions and reducers and other such unnecessary crap in the name of state management, when in fact most client apps don't have state, all they do is fetch data from the server, display it, send updates back to the server.

React used to be a simple lib, now it is getting more and more complicated. Look at the libs I mentioned they are way simpler.

>you don't even have to use JSX

But JSX is the good part of React. You get compile-time checking of your expressions if you use TypeScript and you get syntax coloring, intellisense etc for both HTML and JavaScript.

s_y_n_t_a_x7y ago

If you don't need state, don't include it. That's the beauty of React. But as far as a state management lib goes, Redux is one of the simplest, go look at the source.

I agree JSX is very nice. It's one of the best features of React, and another reason React is a great templating lib. My point was you don't need it. React does a lot of other nice things like browser compatibility, event management. If you want a smaller implementation, use preact or some other template lib.

When dealing with React and Redux you are just dealing with functions. You could do everything in pure functions.

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