However, it absolutely shouldn't be used in a recreational setting as it currently is, served in kratom bars (though they like to use the name "Kava" in an attempt to fly under the radar).
See /r/quittingkratom
But I never said people sell kava as kratom. Selling Kratom in bars is against the law. Instead they set up “kava” bars in which they sell kratom and kava.
Society has "agreed" that while those substances are dangerous, it is up to the individual to determine how they are consumed.
So this then becomes an argument of "I don't like your vice and I'm going to decide whether or not you can partake".
Unless you're under a certan age, or driving a car, or piloting a plane the next day, or etc etc.
And there is strong societal pressure against pregnant women drinking any alcohol at all despite there being no evidence that small amounts of alcohol are harmful during pregnancy.
What's your point?
At some point we need to draw a line.
I use kratom both for pain management and at times to take the edge off. That would be "recreational" at that point. I don't want you to be my nanny.
> Are you arguing that opioids should be served recreationally in bars
Maybe, actually. When my brother died of a heroin overdose it was ultimately his mistake but the "market" failed him because there were no standards for purity or strength.
Bear this in mind: heroin is illegal. My brother is dead. What protection was offered there? The cops laughed at another dead junkie.
Do you drink alcohol? Are you fat? Do you ride a bike without a helmet? Smoke cigars? Do rock climbing? Ride motorcycles? Skydive? etc. etc. etc. If so, you must now stop. I'll let you know what you can there going forward, thank you very much.
Are you aware of the history of drug prohibition in the fact that it had absolutely nothing to do with preventing self harm but was an excuse for using the laws for oppressing the underclass.
I know you are arguing in good faith with good intentions but you are horribly, dangerously wrong.
People are stupid, kids are dumb, people are in great pain and want oblivion, people are bored, people just want to have a good time. There are numerous reasons people abuse drugs.
The greater the access to drugs, the greater the potential damage to drug consumers and people around them.
> I'm arguing against making drugs illegal to "protect" people.
Contrary to your comment on society not deeming alcohol worth banning, we actually ban those things in most situations due to the damage they do. We do that to protect people. Riding a bike without a helmet is against the law where I live, thankfully.
I like that there are laws that restrict what I, a grown man, can do. I don't think there's an inherent need to have the freedom to do anything I want. I can't shoot a man in the head, I can't rape and pillage, I can't take some drugs that science has proven that many humans don't have the capacity to safely consume on a recreational basis.
"It's my body and I'll do what I want with it. You're not my mom!!" isn't something I'd ever say. I live in a community. I have a family and friends.
We'll have to agree to disagree.
