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0 pointsjhare7y ago0 comments

Why do we devs get the blame for avoiding their crap browser all that has burned us over and over? Repeatedly. For years. Hours and hours of frustration on this front.

Encouraging the best-working alternative is the creation of monoculture?

C'mon

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ComputerGuru7y ago

Edge isn’t IE. That you don’t know that is indicative of the problem.

npolet7y ago

It almost doesn't matter. Do you remember the hours and hours spent trying to debug something on IE that worked perfectly on Chrome/Firefox/Safari? All because MS didn't follow the standards that everyone was getting used to and had (mostly) advocated?

The thought of having to do anything remotely similar to that makes me shiver. Since MS made me go through that years ago, I simply will not go through that again. They did such a poor job with IE and it takes time for wounds to heal. Might sound a bit pathetic, but working life without having to develop for IE is much nicer. Chrome, Firefox and Safari generally behave in a similar manner. Yes, there are some inconsistencies, but nothing like IE. Especially the earlier versions (6!).

bayindirh7y ago

Edge is an evolution of Internet Explorer. They removed some of the quirks they have added over the years, modernized the engine, but it's Internet Explorer to its core. It's just rebranded.

alimbada7y ago

No, it's a new browser built from the ground up with none of the baggage of IE.

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ianschmitz7y ago

Have you opened up the dev tools?

taneq7y ago

The problem is that devs got so sick of IE6 not being standards compliant (despite the fact that it was released before the standards were finalised and it was so good that people kept using it for years) that they refused to even contemplate any MS web browser ever again?

Piskvorrr7y ago

Nope. IE6 was great, when it was released. That was...in 2001, seventeen years ago. Then MS sat on its hands for years, leaving IE6 in the dust. Then it suddenly woke up, and released IE7...which didn't differ much...and IE8, which was only about a year behind everyone else. And then MS sat on its hands again.

I remember the Second Browser War, and I find your account disingenuous at the very least. (And that's even before mentioning the bundling tactics)

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