Ask HN: How to Evolve a Legacy .NET Application with Python

4 pointsninjamayo7y ago9 comments

We have a legacy application that is built in Windows Forms and C# but in recent years we've been doing a lot of work in Python. We want to evolve this tool and gradually move all of the backend code to Python but still have a Windows desktop front-end either in Windows Forms (as is currently) or WPF.

I have already looked at different options building parts of the core libraries in IronPython or even using a REST web server to call the Python core but quite sure yet. Has anyone does this and are there any example applications that you know off using this idea?

4 pointsninjamayo7y ago9 comments

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backslash_167y ago· 2 in thread

Using Python via IronPython and trying to get C# to talk to Python sounds like it could have lots of issues. I would go with a Python HTTP(S) API that gets called by the Winforms or WPF UI.

This has the added benefit of forcing you into a more decoupled architecture and allows you to easily add a different type of UI (web, phone app, etc..)

ninjamayoOP7y ago

I think I prefer the RESTful API idea more than anything because it could keep the architecture decoupled. The only thing that worries me is having issues installing this to client desktops. A lot of our clients are banks and insurance companies so I wouldn't want to create issues with our installation and get things blocked by client IT.

shoo7y ago

yep, you'll definitely have to work through issues around getting network access, meeting requirements for keeping data adequately secured in transit and at rest. some places might really not want to run external servers, and run the server(s) on their premises

shoo7y ago· 1 in thread

I've seen:

* .net product with embedded ironpython for scripting ;

* desktop client talking to a backend server that happened to be implemented in python ;

* desktop application implemented as a collection of command line tools for batch processing, with a windows desktop frontend. Some of the command line tools were implemented in python and bundled using py2exe, other command line tools were written in other languages

these were all proprietary things with varying numbers of enterprisey customers, apologies, no sample code.

ninjamayoOP7y ago

A collection of command line tools is something we tried years ago and didnt work very well unfortunatelly. Tempted to go down the REST server route.

penetrarthur7y ago· 1 in thread

What is the reason to rewrite a legacy c# code to python?

eksemplar7y ago

Why wouldn’t you?

C# is so unproductive compared to python. Everything is so low level and verbose, nuget packages are mostly undocumented and unsupported, entity framework is terrible, no graphql tools.

I mean, we still do a lot of c# at our place, but every chance we get, we use either python or JavaScript with an end goal of completely leaving c# behind.

eksemplar7y ago

Why do you want WPF or windows forms for your application? Especially if you’re doing a web based backend any way.

I know it’s a tad silly to use web uis for everything, but the truth is, that it’s where almost all of the ui innovations lie right now.

It’s not just for design either, it’s also automation. Like if you use Django, a lot of the basic forms for inputs will actually write themselves based on you’d datamodel.

LiamPa7y ago

Nearing completion of something similar:

Phase I C# -> python / Django / some simple html forms

Phase II (in progress) Django rest backend / react front end

We host the application internally, all our team members know at least basic python so updates are easy and deployment is much quicker.

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9 comments · 5 top-level

backslash_167y ago· 2 in thread

Using Python via IronPython and trying to get C# to talk to Python sounds like it could have lots of issues. I would go with a Python HTTP(S) API that gets called by the Winforms or WPF UI.

This has the added benefit of forcing you into a more decoupled architecture and allows you to easily add a different type of UI (web, phone app, etc..)

ninjamayoOP7y ago

shoo7y ago

shoo7y ago· 1 in thread

I've seen:

* .net product with embedded ironpython for scripting ;

* desktop client talking to a backend server that happened to be implemented in python ;

these were all proprietary things with varying numbers of enterprisey customers, apologies, no sample code.

ninjamayoOP7y ago

A collection of command line tools is something we tried years ago and didnt work very well unfortunatelly. Tempted to go down the REST server route.

penetrarthur7y ago· 1 in thread

What is the reason to rewrite a legacy c# code to python?

eksemplar7y ago

Why wouldn’t you?

C# is so unproductive compared to python. Everything is so low level and verbose, nuget packages are mostly undocumented and unsupported, entity framework is terrible, no graphql tools.

I mean, we still do a lot of c# at our place, but every chance we get, we use either python or JavaScript with an end goal of completely leaving c# behind.

eksemplar7y ago

Why do you want WPF or windows forms for your application? Especially if you’re doing a web based backend any way.

I know it’s a tad silly to use web uis for everything, but the truth is, that it’s where almost all of the ui innovations lie right now.

It’s not just for design either, it’s also automation. Like if you use Django, a lot of the basic forms for inputs will actually write themselves based on you’d datamodel.

LiamPa7y ago

Nearing completion of something similar:

Phase I C# -> python / Django / some simple html forms

Phase II (in progress) Django rest backend / react front end

We host the application internally, all our team members know at least basic python so updates are easy and deployment is much quicker.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse