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0 pointsdoombolt7y ago0 comments

I don't understand why it will be harder to attract software developers to Italy versus Poland. Weather and environment are much nicer and if this job ends you just move elsewhere.

I would easily move to a cheap locale even if tech scene there is not abundant. I'd not move to London or Switzerland since you will always be 2nd class citizen compared to e.g. bankers. Which is just non issue in southern europe.

Weak economic is a thing you leverage.

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travelbuffoon7y ago· 4 in thread

> 2nd class citizen

Huh?

Also, those places are way more international than most places in Europe, which makes relocation more attractive. Good luck attracting non-Italians to Italy, or non-Polish to Poland.

alkonaut7y ago

I (as a neither Polish or Italian person) wouldn't mind moving to either, but given the current political climate in Poland I'd rather move to Italy tbh.

doomboltOP7y ago

Is not it obvious? When you tell you do software in Perugia you sound important, when you tell the same in London you basically say you're a nobody.

I would gladly move to Italy with its amazing culture. I would not move to a place so diverse and full of recent immigrants that it no longer has any specific culture. Am I unique here?

And yes, people relocate to Poland a lot, from ex-USSR countries for example.

pjc507y ago

You don't want to immigrate to London because there are too many immigrants?

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travelbuffoon7y ago

Needing that kind of recognition seems unhealthy.

I'm pretty sure both London and Switzerland have cultures (OK, UK culture is mostly just drinking but still...).

Large software hubs generally need to pull in people from around the world, not just USSR. And that's the crux of the problem. London, Berlin, Paris, Zurich are all major international cities - it's easier for people from all around the world to settle down there than in places like Warsaw or Perugia.

fjsolwmv7y ago· 2 in thread

Do people move to Poland, or do employers hire local underemployed (and Soviet era educated) talent?

LeonidasXIV7y ago

> hire local underemployed (and Soviet era educated) talent

You are aware that the Soviet era is long ago and the youngest people educated under a Soviet system are mid-30 by now? There is plenty of universities in Poland teaching among other things also Computer Science.

jxub7y ago

Well, to be honest both jobs and salaries are booming there right now.

meguest7y ago

The Italian government are in a debt crisis not too different from the Greek government debt crisis of 2007/2008.

Italy currently has a slow growing economy and needs a large number of younger economic migrants to increase Italy's competitiveness and pay taxes.

erik_seaberg7y ago

> would easily move to a cheap locale even if tech scene there is not abundant

I wouldn't. Being in high demand in Silicon Valley is amazing even compared to Seattle. I wouldn't move to a backwater for fear of having to move again every 3-5 years.

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