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0 pointsdalbasal7y ago0 comments

About 10 years ago, newspapers got together to try and get Google to give them some money, for the content Google was indexing to populate their news search results.

Google's response was to give them better ways of de-indexing content. IE, a way to opt out. Take it or leave it. Naturally, few newspaper took leave it, preferring to get readers & no revenue than no readers and no revenue.

Since then, efforts have focused on turning that around. Give Google a take it or leave it option. Either shut down Google news or pay newspapers somehow. So far, Google have walked a couple of times, when such laws were passed locally.

So yes, Google could end Google news search.

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village-idiot7y ago

I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them.

Shivetya7y ago

I think newspapers tend to forget we don't need them either as there are many choices for news that are legit. They have for far too long used to captive audiences and that obviously is not the case. however like most industries which had captive audiences they fall back on regulations to protect their bottom line rather than improve their offerings.

lorenzobr7y ago

Exactly and tbh Google could just buy a newspaper and not give a shit about it.

Many newspapers are rubbish and publish rubbish content anyway so that's the problem, not the copyright.

Scarblac7y ago

On the other hand, newspapers were a lot less rubbish two decades ago when they could still afford to employ many journalists. That is what they're trying to get back to with legislation like this.

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bepotts7y ago

The EU would then fine Google for using their Search monopoly to dominate the News industry by promoting news article from the paper they bought.

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dalbasalOP7y ago

Google does need them, and all the other content they index and search. Google just doesn't need any individual one of them.

I sympathize with that. Google's market power is problematic. But.. this is not a solution.

dnate7y ago

The issue is that we as a society need diverse and independent newspapers.

brainwad7y ago

No we don't. I get my news from public broadcasters. They have the bonus of not pushing the owner's political agenda and being subject to public oversight.

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pbhjpbhj7y ago

So, when are we getting that then?

mar77i7y ago

Yeah. Start a newspaper that talks about such issues honestly, not like those so-called journalistic conglomerates that curate "local" newspapers across whole countries.

The issue comes from companies that were too powerful before they went to ask google for money.

logifail7y ago

Why stop at newspapers? How about diverse and independent provision of pretty much everything?

People don't appear to want this, of course. Pity.

C14L7y ago

Agreed. But this approach is not going to achieve that. On the contrary.

notyourday7y ago

True, but if there's one thing that we did learn over last decade or so is that the old guard newspapers are neither diverse nor independent.

dawnerd7y ago

I’m under the assumption you have to setup your site and apply for Google News before they start indexing your articles. Of the Big publications opt out it just leaves space for smaller outlets to grow.

dalbasalOP7y ago

If I'm not mistaken, it's still an option out basis. Google crawl, index and search everything by default and allow content owners some controls, either via site manager or via flags in your html.

dawnerd7y ago

Yeah but I didn't think they'd show news there unless you actually agreed to the news terms.

https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/7526...

1024core7y ago

Haven't they heard of robots.txt ?

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0 pointsdalbasal7y ago0 comments

About 10 years ago, newspapers got together to try and get Google to give them some money, for the content Google was indexing to populate their news search results.

So yes, Google could end Google news search.

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village-idiot7y ago

I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them.

Shivetya7y ago

lorenzobr7y ago

Exactly and tbh Google could just buy a newspaper and not give a shit about it.

Many newspapers are rubbish and publish rubbish content anyway so that's the problem, not the copyright.

Scarblac7y ago

On the other hand, newspapers were a lot less rubbish two decades ago when they could still afford to employ many journalists. That is what they're trying to get back to with legislation like this.

3 more replies

bepotts7y ago

The EU would then fine Google for using their Search monopoly to dominate the News industry by promoting news article from the paper they bought.

1 more reply

dalbasalOP7y ago

Google does need them, and all the other content they index and search. Google just doesn't need any individual one of them.

I sympathize with that. Google's market power is problematic. But.. this is not a solution.

dnate7y ago

The issue is that we as a society need diverse and independent newspapers.

brainwad7y ago

No we don't. I get my news from public broadcasters. They have the bonus of not pushing the owner's political agenda and being subject to public oversight.

1 more reply

pbhjpbhj7y ago

So, when are we getting that then?

mar77i7y ago

Yeah. Start a newspaper that talks about such issues honestly, not like those so-called journalistic conglomerates that curate "local" newspapers across whole countries.

The issue comes from companies that were too powerful before they went to ask google for money.

logifail7y ago

Why stop at newspapers? How about diverse and independent provision of pretty much everything?

People don't appear to want this, of course. Pity.

C14L7y ago

Agreed. But this approach is not going to achieve that. On the contrary.

notyourday7y ago

True, but if there's one thing that we did learn over last decade or so is that the old guard newspapers are neither diverse nor independent.

dawnerd7y ago

dalbasalOP7y ago

If I'm not mistaken, it's still an option out basis. Google crawl, index and search everything by default and allow content owners some controls, either via site manager or via flags in your html.

dawnerd7y ago

Yeah but I didn't think they'd show news there unless you actually agreed to the news terms.

https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/7526...

1024core7y ago

Haven't they heard of robots.txt ?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse