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0 pointsviraptor7y ago0 comments

Pretty much this. With the current tech stack in telcos, the only way anything can change is if they're put in a "you're responsible for this call, unless you can point to who sent this call" situation. While the receiving / forwarding party can't validate the originating number, they can always point at the telco that sent the call in. Repeat until you find a company / person to fine.

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supertrope7y ago· 4 in thread

Just like airlines get fined for carrying passengers who violate immigration policy. Thus they are effectively deputized to enforce the rules.

That would root out domestic telcos who enable bad behavior. What happens when the origin telco is in another jurisdiction?

bluGill7y ago

Then it has an international caller id. Most people get so few international calls that they will quickly figure out that it can't be real. If it had a locale caller id it is obviously spoofed because otherwise the call wouldn't have come in from the foreign telco.

Once someone does this, legitimate telephone companies elsewhere will become interested as well, and may "play nice" so long as local laws allow it.

viraptorOP7y ago

> If it had a locale caller id it is obviously spoofed because otherwise the call wouldn't have come in from the foreign telco.

That is not correct. You can send legitimate calls with spoofed caller id between different countries. Many providers will let you do that. (as in, you can assign a caller id from country A to a call originating from country B to A)

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viraptorOP7y ago

It costs a lot more internationally, so I'm not sure how much of a problem it really is. While many people would hate this, the same rule could be applied with "if you're forwarding international connections, you're responsible". Bad interconnects would probably drop immediately with a moderate amount of chaos, while legit foreign partners are found who can filter traffic on their end.

supertrope7y ago

My service provider offers <$0.01/min. calls to many countries.

I have a hunch that no telco wants to entirely block a foreign telco because they would lose money and because of the ensuing chaos.

Robocall friendly service providers intentionally mix robocalls with legitimate traffic to avoid terms of service enforcement. e.g. Robocalls are laundered by splitting across n carriers so spam (identified by bad ASR/ACD stats) stays below each carrier's threshold. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12339739

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supertrope7y ago· 4 in thread

Just like airlines get fined for carrying passengers who violate immigration policy. Thus they are effectively deputized to enforce the rules.

That would root out domestic telcos who enable bad behavior. What happens when the origin telco is in another jurisdiction?

bluGill7y ago

Once someone does this, legitimate telephone companies elsewhere will become interested as well, and may "play nice" so long as local laws allow it.

viraptorOP7y ago

> If it had a locale caller id it is obviously spoofed because otherwise the call wouldn't have come in from the foreign telco.

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viraptorOP7y ago

supertrope7y ago

My service provider offers <$0.01/min. calls to many countries.

I have a hunch that no telco wants to entirely block a foreign telco because they would lose money and because of the ensuing chaos.

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