An Introduction to WebObjects, in Swift (opens in new tab)

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37 pointshelge58y ago8 comments

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exabrial8y ago· 2 in thread

Wait, is webojects dead or not? It says wo6 is coming in 2018, but the project is killed... I see it's voluntarily bring maintained by a community, are they releasing?

mattl8y ago

It’s community and yes lots of releases

valleyer8y ago

The WebObjects 6 line is a joke, kind of like Half-Life 3.

grecy8y ago· 1 in thread

From 2006-2008 I worked in a WebObjects dev team, and it was extremely enlightening.

So, so, so much of the work is done for you with WO, it's so much faster to just get down to business and code in your business logic. To this day I miss everything being done for me.

I genuinely hope Apple find a way to resurrect it.

EDIT: Project Wonder[1] gets a mention in the links section. This is a "mod pack" for WebObjects that is like putting it on steroids. Seriously impressive stuff.

[1] https://wiki.wocommunity.org/display/WEB/Home

jrs958y ago

While I'm skeptical it would really be a server driven full stack web framework like it was in the past, a bit more effort on the server-side Swift front would definitely be appreciated. It seems like a small dribble of resources is currently invested in that, and overall I don't think it's ever really going to take off unless Apple really gets behind it. The stuff the community has done is cool but it's not good enough to build a large and sustainable ecosystem.

BillinghamJ8y ago· 1 in thread

This smells very much like ASP.Net web forms, horrible viewstate parameters, terrible URL design, etc.

Haven’t we moved past this?

helge5OP8y ago

Although the comparison with the ASP.net clone sounds like an insult to WO, you are right: we definitely have moved past this! :-) As outlined in the article: http://www.alwaysrightinstitute.com/wo-intro/#web-20-ajax-an...

Though funny enough client side frameworks today are plagued by pretty much the same issues WO had on the server side. (or in other words: the web is a document platform, not very well suited for applications)

westoncb8y ago

It actually looks pretty nice (imo), but also seems like another one of those, "well, we'll see if it picks up any steam in a few years..." kinda situations.

The article is also clearly written and informative.

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