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0 pointspieter15y ago0 comments

Compare a normal workflow, like submitting a bug to Git:

* Commit your bugfix

* 'git send-email --to=git@vger.kernel.org -1'

With the GNU model:

* Commit your bugfix / make a patch

* Send your patch to the maintainer of the project

* The maintainer has to look in a central file if you already assigned copyright to the FSF

* If not, they send you an email 'would you be willing to do this'

* You reply, "sure, send me the form"

* They send you this: https://gforge.inria.fr/scm/viewvc.php/misc/www/request-disc...

* You fill in the form, and thus hand over your snail mail address to the maintainer and the FSF

* They send you another form (snail mail!)

* You fill it in and send it back (snail mail!)

* They receive your form and add it to the list

* Your bugfix is now allowed to go into the GNU repository

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asdfghjkjnmhb15y ago· 3 in thread

You forgot the bit where if you work for a company you need to get approval from 18levels of management and corporate lawyers on 3 continents who have never heard of free software - and you are on the receiving end of the political flak.

Or if you work for a US company and are writing FOSS on your own time - you still risk getting fired because one of the managers or lawyers (who have never heard of FOSS) think it breaks your employment contract and it's a cheap way of reducing head count.

SoftwareMaven15y ago

Has this ever really happened? This sounds more like apocryphal legends meant to scare young developers about that big, bad manager in the closet.

uxp15y ago

I personally know of two people from one company that were fired for contributing a patch to a popular open sourced IDE that the company used for development, of which the bug hampered the development for the company. It was a strongarmed political move for management to retain control over the personal actions of their employees.

This is all anecdotal anyways. I doubt it happens all the time, but these two were forced to sign an NDA on their way out. It makes me wonder how many times it does happen where no one is allowed to talk about it.

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asdfghjkjnmhb15y ago

Being fired - don't know.

But if you are a minion at, say MSFT, imagine how many layers of management a sign-off would go up before somebody said - yes you can assign copyright to that little utility to Gnu.

loup-vaillant15y ago· 3 in thread

Yes, but, after the first shot:

* Commit your bugfix / make a patch

* Send your patch to the maintainer of the project

* The maintainer has to look in a central file if you already assigned copyright to the FSF. Since you did, you don't have to do anything.

I'm confused though: Apple already have assigned copyright. Yet, they say they will stop doing it, as if it wasn't automatic, even when done once. Either they assign copyright in an unusual way, or they actively stopped it. Somebody knows which it could be?

froydnj15y ago

Just because Apple has a copyright assignment on file (i.e. saying that they are able to assign copyright to the FSF) does not mean that every piece of code Apple writes--even if it's connected to GCC--is assigned to the FSF.

So Apple can write GCC patches, Apple can release GCC patches, but it does not follow that those patches are assigned. I guess that means they've actively stopped.

zppx15y ago

Sort of the relationship of Android with the Linux kernel, for me this is the same as publishing a GPLed patch to OpenSSH or something like that, this is immense disrespect towards the developer community of a project, which does have its culture.

FSF has done this as well by changing the license of their software from GPL2/LGPL2 to GPL3/LGPL3 and turning the GameSWF (released under public domain) into the GPLed Gnash.

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tjr15y ago

If I recall correctly, the standard FSF copyright assignment form lets you choose between assigning copyright on a particular set of changes, or for all (present and) future changes.

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asdfghjkjnmhb15y ago· 3 in thread

SoftwareMaven15y ago

Has this ever really happened? This sounds more like apocryphal legends meant to scare young developers about that big, bad manager in the closet.

uxp15y ago

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asdfghjkjnmhb15y ago

Being fired - don't know.

But if you are a minion at, say MSFT, imagine how many layers of management a sign-off would go up before somebody said - yes you can assign copyright to that little utility to Gnu.

loup-vaillant15y ago· 3 in thread

Yes, but, after the first shot:

* Commit your bugfix / make a patch

* Send your patch to the maintainer of the project

* The maintainer has to look in a central file if you already assigned copyright to the FSF. Since you did, you don't have to do anything.

froydnj15y ago

So Apple can write GCC patches, Apple can release GCC patches, but it does not follow that those patches are assigned. I guess that means they've actively stopped.

zppx15y ago

FSF has done this as well by changing the license of their software from GPL2/LGPL2 to GPL3/LGPL3 and turning the GameSWF (released under public domain) into the GPLed Gnash.

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tjr15y ago

If I recall correctly, the standard FSF copyright assignment form lets you choose between assigning copyright on a particular set of changes, or for all (present and) future changes.

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