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0 pointsvaluearb8y ago0 comments

This is a lie. Bombardiers planes don’t compete with any Boeing planes.

Yet still Boeing flexed their lobbyists.

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undersuit8y ago· 3 in thread

Delta chose to go with Bombardier planes in this case[1] which directly affected Boeing's ability to sell them their equivalents. That sounds like competition.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...

kogepathic8y ago

> which directly affected Boeing's ability to sell them their equivalents.

Boeing's bid to Delta was some Embraer E series they had from an Air Canada trade-in. [1]

No model of 737MAX competes with the C Series for Delta's RFP. Both Boeing and Delta have readily admitted this when asked (see [1]).

Boeing has nothing in the market to compete with regional jets like the C Series. This is exactly why they are now looking into buying Embraer to counter Airbus acquiring a majority stake in the C Series. [2]

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotthamilton5/2016/05/17/embra...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is...

undersuit8y ago

That sounds like there is competition for this market between Bombardier and Boeing.

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valuearbOP8y ago

Your own link explains how uncompetitive they are. Boeing's 737s range from 138-200+ passengers, the CS100 is in the 108-133 passenger range. More importantly the CS100 is significantly smaller and lighter, helping make it cheaper to operate on the routes Delta wanted.

So to bid against Bombardier, Boeing didn't even try to offer 737s, knowing they can't fit Delta's needs. Instead they offered 717s and Embrauers, both of which are used (Boeing canceled the 717 over a decade ago).

louithethrid8y ago· 3 in thread

Lobbyism is what saved the american car industry.

majormajor8y ago

The American car industry is safe in the US market as long as nobody outside the US figures out how to compete with the F150. Even if it had to eventually ditch everything but the trucks, the cash cow shows no signs of dying anytime soon. Make them aluminum, carbon fiber, electric, turbo, whatever - it's the form factor that sells.

selectodude8y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_tax

Foreign automakers can't sell trucks in the US.

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valuearbOP8y ago

Citation needed, cause no.

inferiorhuman8y ago· 2 in thread

The risk isn't that Boeing competes with Bombardier right now. The risk is that the Bombardier will stretch the C-series and create a CS500 that will compete directly with the 737. You can't do that with the Embraer.

valuearbOP8y ago

That’s a risk our trading rules aren’t supposed to address.

inferiorhuman8y ago

Agreed.

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11 comments · 3 top-level

undersuit8y ago· 3 in thread

Delta chose to go with Bombardier planes in this case[1] which directly affected Boeing's ability to sell them their equivalents. That sounds like competition.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSeries_dumping_petition_by_Bo...

kogepathic8y ago

> which directly affected Boeing's ability to sell them their equivalents.

Boeing's bid to Delta was some Embraer E series they had from an Air Canada trade-in. [1]

No model of 737MAX competes with the C Series for Delta's RFP. Both Boeing and Delta have readily admitted this when asked (see [1]).

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/scotthamilton5/2016/05/17/embra...

[2] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-21/boeing-is...

undersuit8y ago

That sounds like there is competition for this market between Bombardier and Boeing.

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valuearbOP8y ago

louithethrid8y ago· 3 in thread