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0 pointscode4tee8y ago0 comments

Um, there’s 5 787s flying around for every A350. On the future book Boeing also has around 50% more 787 orders than Airbus has A350.

So yeah, I’d call that being a bit behind in that market segment.

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_Codemonkeyism8y ago· 4 in thread

It's 1250 to 850 orders.

jonknee8y ago

And it's 625 to 133 deliveries...

masklinn8y ago

And it's 2011 to 2015...

24gttghh8y ago

850 x .5 = 425

850 + 425 = 1275

Looks pretty damn close to 50% more orders for Boeing, so I'm not sure what you are implying.

thisacctforreal8y ago

protip: 1250 / 850 = 1.4706, ie 147%

tolien8y ago· 3 in thread

The 787 first flew 4 years earlier too, cost 3x as much to develop and aren’t selling for three times the price.

To the end of last month there were 858 orders (133 delivered) for the A350 versus 1287 (625 delivered) for the Dreamliner. Considering the 787 had a head start (787 introduced in 2011, A350 XWB in 2015), the pressure’s on Airbus to keep ramping up deliveries (the last few years it looks like Boeing’s stabilised at ~130 per year) but that gap’s going to shrink pretty quickly…

yardie8y ago

The A350XWB was their second attempt. The original A350 and 787 were introduced around the same time. But the all aluminum A350 was DOA compared to the flashy new carbon fiber 787. It showed in the order books as well, no one wanted their warmed over A350.

TL;DR the 787 didn't have a 4 year head start. The A350 arrived 4 years late after a complete redesign.

tolien8y ago

That's all true but I don't see how it refutes what I said.

The 787's been in production and delivering aircraft for 4 years longer than the A350 XWB, which is still ramping up [1]. If that's not a head start when we're comparing delivered aircraft between the two then I don't know what is; the fact that Airbus let Boeing have that lead by wasting their time trying to hawk an A330 with revised wings and engines is neither here nor there.

> Airbus plans to increase its production rate from 10 monthly in 2018 to 13 monthly from 2019, while the Boeing 787 production will increase from 12 to 14 per month in 2019, and six A330 are produced monthly.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus_A350_XWB#Production

xvf228y ago

And yet they managed to save the program and avoid the lithium battery issues of the 787 all while not being anywhere near as overweight as the 787 was upon introduction.

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