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0 pointspeterwwillis8y ago0 comments

It's locking literally every individual and business out of a "development" domain, solely for one corporation's for-profit use. Solely to associate Google with development, over any other corporation in the world.

This is like Ford registering ".car" gTLD for themselves (although actually worse).

> It's also technically not even a change to the status quo.

If it wasn't a change to the status quo, they would have just used the exact same test domains you mention. You're saying that what we should not have done, is okay for Google to do.

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SAI_Peregrinus8y ago

> You're saying that what we should not have done, is okay for Google to do.

No, what we should not have done is used an unregistered and unreserved TLD for testing/development. What Google has done is registered the .dev TLD, and started to use it for development.

peterwwillisOP8y ago

They were already using it for development. Just like everyone else. They "officially" took it away from everyone else, and then forced it to be TLS-only.

This is the internet development equivalent of the copyrighting of the song "Happy Birthday to You".

mindcrime8y ago

It's locking literally every individual and business out of a "development" domain, solely for one corporation's for-profit use.

And? What entitles any of us to use that domain? And as far as that goes, you can, as I understand it, still use that tld, since your local DNS resolver or hosts file can always override how hosts are resolved in there. The only real issue is if you hit the specific issue where a change in Chrome behaviour w/r/t this specific TLD, breaks something in your workflow.

peterwwillisOP8y ago

> What entitles any of us to use that domain?

You're right. I didn't pay for it, so I'm not entitled to get to use it.

Just because there is only one internet, and only one top level domain namespace, and just because I don't have $150,000, does not entitle me to get to use some part of the internet in the same way as a single corporation with a lot of money.

What entitles anyone to use the internet? I don't pay for the root name servers. I don't pay for peering transit. I don't pay for core routers.

I guess your point must be that corporations [and nations] should use their money and influence to acquire large chunks of the internet and screw with it in any way that they possibly can. And we should not care, because we are not entitled to it.

mindcrime8y ago

You're right. I didn't pay for it, so I'm not entitled to get to use it.

Correct. So what was the point of the rest of your nonsensical rambling? Or do you have some other explanation of why you're entitled to you use that specific tld namespace? You can't just use arbitrary domains that you don't own, why should tld's be any different especially given the advent of gtld's which radically expanded the namespace?

You're also ignoring that that that you can still use .dev. The case where Google's ownership of it prevents you from using it (for internal use anyway) is a very specific, limited scenario.

does not entitle me to get to use some part of the internet in the same way as a single corporation with a lot of money

Nothing about this prevents you from using any part of the Internet. At worst it restricts, ever so slightly, the way you can name your resources. But there have always been restrictions on how you can name your resources.

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jerf8y ago

"It's locking literally every individual and business out of a "development" domain, solely for one corporation's for-profit use. Solely to associate Google with development, over any other corporation in the world."

You have answered the question "Was this selfish behavior?" or "Was this an asshole move?", with an answer I agree with. But that was not the question. The question was whether this was monopolistic behavior. The answer is no. As far as I know, several other TLDs have been similarly locked down by companies with no claim to monopoly power in any industry, which pretty much proves it's not related to monopoly power.

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SAI_Peregrinus8y ago

> You're saying that what we should not have done, is okay for Google to do.

No, what we should not have done is used an unregistered and unreserved TLD for testing/development. What Google has done is registered the .dev TLD, and started to use it for development.

peterwwillisOP8y ago

They were already using it for development. Just like everyone else. They "officially" took it away from everyone else, and then forced it to be TLS-only.

This is the internet development equivalent of the copyrighting of the song "Happy Birthday to You".

mindcrime8y ago

It's locking literally every individual and business out of a "development" domain, solely for one corporation's for-profit use.

peterwwillisOP8y ago

> What entitles any of us to use that domain?

You're right. I didn't pay for it, so I'm not entitled to get to use it.

What entitles anyone to use the internet? I don't pay for the root name servers. I don't pay for peering transit. I don't pay for core routers.

mindcrime8y ago

You're right. I didn't pay for it, so I'm not entitled to get to use it.

You're also ignoring that that that you can still use .dev. The case where Google's ownership of it prevents you from using it (for internal use anyway) is a very specific, limited scenario.

does not entitle me to get to use some part of the internet in the same way as a single corporation with a lot of money

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jerf8y ago

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