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0 pointscisanti8y ago0 comments

Fabric is still not supporting py3, it's important tool for a lot of admins.

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shakna8y ago

There's a maintained Fabric fork [0] for Python 3, it is basically a drop-in and available via pip.

[0] https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/

collinmanderson8y ago

In addition, fabric 2 is making progress.

oconnor6638y ago

To be clear, you can still install Python 2 the usual way. The only thing that's changing is that it's not installed by default (and by extension, that none of the base system depends on it).

wybiral8y ago

Yeah, that's one of the only things I still use Python2 for.

But it seems that they have a v2 in the works that's supposed to support Python3: https://github.com/fabric/fabric/tree/v2

And there's also a fork: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Fabric3

broodbucket8y ago

Plenty of things don't have python 3 support, but you can still use python2 without it being /usr/bin/python.

geofft8y ago

There is no /usr/bin/python in the default Ubuntu install. There's a /usr/bin/python3, and if you `apt install python` you can get /usr/bin/python. But all of the system's code that uses Python has been converted to Python 3.

detaro8y ago

I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Still true of course that it doesn't have to be installed by default even if some applications still need it.

bobajeff8y ago

> I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Tell that to Arch. :(

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oblio8y ago

Fabric is reacting to what the most conservative group or Linux users (sysadmins for RHEL) are asking for. That's why RHEL moving to Python 3 would be the last push needed.

wyldfire8y ago

> Fabric is reacting to what the most conservative group or Linux users (sysadmins for RHEL) are asking for.

I'm not familiar with the details, but does this mean that they're resisting patches to support 3.x? Given the existence of a fork it seems likely. It's not-at-all difficult to write a single Python package that works on both 2.7 and 3.x. Especially if you are willing to use `six`.

I'll admit that it's a little harder to stay compatible with earlier-than-2.7, though.

oblio8y ago

Ah, now I remember.

I think the actual argument against Py3-compatibility is exactly that: Fabric needs to support 2.6 because it is the default in RHEL/SLES versions which are still quite popular in enterprise environments and maintaining compatibility with both Py 2.6 and Py 3 is quite difficult, as you said.

jandrese8y ago

So we'll get it in 2024?

oblio8y ago

There is overlap between RHEL release support periods, from what I see it's about 3-4 years on average. So 2021? :)

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shakna8y ago

There's a maintained Fabric fork [0] for Python 3, it is basically a drop-in and available via pip.

[0] https://github.com/mathiasertl/fabric/

collinmanderson8y ago

In addition, fabric 2 is making progress.

oconnor6638y ago

To be clear, you can still install Python 2 the usual way. The only thing that's changing is that it's not installed by default (and by extension, that none of the base system depends on it).

wybiral8y ago

Yeah, that's one of the only things I still use Python2 for.

But it seems that they have a v2 in the works that's supposed to support Python3: https://github.com/fabric/fabric/tree/v2

And there's also a fork: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/Fabric3

broodbucket8y ago

Plenty of things don't have python 3 support, but you can still use python2 without it being /usr/bin/python.

geofft8y ago

detaro8y ago

I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Still true of course that it doesn't have to be installed by default even if some applications still need it.

bobajeff8y ago

> I doubt very much Ubuntu has made python3 /usr/bin/python, since the official recommendation of the Python project is to not do that.

Tell that to Arch. :(

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oblio8y ago

Fabric is reacting to what the most conservative group or Linux users (sysadmins for RHEL) are asking for. That's why RHEL moving to Python 3 would be the last push needed.

wyldfire8y ago

> Fabric is reacting to what the most conservative group or Linux users (sysadmins for RHEL) are asking for.

I'll admit that it's a little harder to stay compatible with earlier-than-2.7, though.

oblio8y ago

Ah, now I remember.

jandrese8y ago

So we'll get it in 2024?

oblio8y ago

There is overlap between RHEL release support periods, from what I see it's about 3-4 years on average. So 2021? :)

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