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0 pointspron8y ago0 comments

> They claim "reliable configuration" as a goal but without versioning that's meaningless.

Versioning is not currently built into Jigsaw, but Jigsaw provides all the building blocks necessary to support it in third-party tools.

> For the past ten years Mark Reinhold would give talks at Java conferences what the module system comping in the next Java version was supposed to do and every year the content was different.

Plus the entire development was done in the open, in an open source project with an active mailing list and frequent prototypes.

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needusername8y ago

> Versioning is not currently built into Jigsaw, but Jigsaw provides all the building blocks necessary to support it in third-party tools.

If I need third-party tools to validate my dependency graph at compile time and at runtime to ensure "reliable configuration" then why do I need Jigsaw at all? That's the current state of affairs with Java already, Jigsaw provides no value.

> Plus the entire development was done in the open, in an open source project with an active mailing list

Ostensibly. There is a difference between having an open mailing list (where people could give feedback and get a superficial thank you before getting ignored) and a readonly repository and actual open development. Quite frankly I find it telling that in 2017 we have to stress that there was and open mailing list and readonly repository. The most important thing, the decision process, was completely intransparent and all Oracle/Sun internal.

> and frequent prototypes.

Which weren't useful because none of the frameworks, libraries and tools would support it.

pronOP8y ago

> Jigsaw provides no value.

I think you should read more about Jigsaw.

> I find it telling that in 2017 we have to stress that there was and open mailing list and readonly repository.

We don't need to stress it, just to correct an incorrect report.

> The most important thing, the decision process, was completely intransparent and all Oracle/Sun internal.

This is simply not true, as a quick look at the mailing-list archive would show, as well as from the fact that the project took 9 years.

> Which weren't useful because none of the frameworks, libraries and tools would support it.

They were welcome to support them. I'm not sure what it is that you want, exactly.

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