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0 pointsdigi_owl8y ago0 comments

Bingo. Way way too much of Linux these days is by devs for devs, and screw everyone else.

Note the rise of "devops" that is basically about getting a straight line from devs to management so devs can sideline ops and their naysaying of the latest shinies devs wnats to sprinkle the projects with.

Another thing is that there is less and less interest in maintenance, because maintenance is not fun. The GNU generation i slowly leaving, and is being replaced with the "fun" generation that is hell bent on rewriting working, if crufty, systems using the latest language fads over a caffeine fueled weekend...

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jacquesm8y ago· 2 in thread

There are two jobs that were rolled into the developer role that we will sorely miss in the longer term, the first was 'analyst', the second 'sysadmin/sysop'.

Dumbing these down to make it possible to run these highly skilled and specialized jobs as part-time job without relevant training is one of the main reasons the state of software is what it is.

spydum8y ago

Exactly this. I have seen hundreds of systems built by experienced gray beard Unix admins, which have been steady as rocks, some lasting 15+ years without ever a peep of trouble. however I have seen many "new" boxes built by "devops", which can't survive a single upgrade cycle. If left alone for more than a few weeks, usually eat themselves and cause an outage. On one hand, am a little thankful of the devops box, it will be crashed long before it gets compromised due to neglect.

bitwize8y ago

Devops is doing their job. No one really cares about the uptime of a single box anymore at cloud scale. Servers are cattle, not pets. If one instance goes down, spin up a new one to take the load.

P.S. this is why, contrary to graybeard whinging, boot time matters and sysvinit cannot possibly keep up with systemd in the cloud. The faster your instances boot, the less capacity you lose while they're down.

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hedora8y ago· 1 in thread

This is the CADT development model, and has been working (sort of) for at least a decade:

https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html

digi_owlOP8y ago

Yep, "working"...

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