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0 pointsTsagadai8y ago0 comments

Migration is a significant part of many countries growth. If Australia and New Zealand, for example, did not have such massive migration they would be effectively in serious depression. In both countries migration has added more than 1% to GDP growth for the last 30 years. Merely in recession is kind of surprising as for many other countries with such stagnant or declining population growth (low birthrates and barely any immigration) they would be in a much worse situation.

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alphaalpha1018y ago

As someone from NZ: we have an election in about 4 weeks, and this is a serious issue here. We know that this immigration-driven growth is not real growth.

TsagadaiOP8y ago

But it really is. You get a resource (human in this case) that usually comes with education and healthcare paid for in the X years before they came. Usually immigrant X has a higher level of education than the general population due to restrictions. Not to mention that said person has money (usually also a requirement), which adds to the economy in the same way that tourism does. How is that not adding growth to an economy?

Conversely, a mass exodus of educated citizens emigrating from a country negatively impacts growth.

matt40778y ago

> We know that this immigration-driven growth is not real growth.

Do you? Here's a list of US companies founded by immigrants:

Google, Apple (2nd gen), Intel, Tesla, ebay, Yahoo

alphaalpha1018y ago

Lol. I'm not anti-immigration, don't be so defensive, and I'm also not talking about the US. Stop bringing up the US. This is a thread about Japan and I'm talking about New Zealand.

The New Zealand government really wants people to believe that we're experiencing 'economic growth'. But while they might be technically right, they're effectively wrong. Economic growth that is so much entirely from immigration that we're effectively in per-capita-GDP recession is not real, useful, good growth.

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alphaalpha1018y ago

As someone from NZ: we have an election in about 4 weeks, and this is a serious issue here. We know that this immigration-driven growth is not real growth.

TsagadaiOP8y ago

Conversely, a mass exodus of educated citizens emigrating from a country negatively impacts growth.

matt40778y ago

> We know that this immigration-driven growth is not real growth.

Do you? Here's a list of US companies founded by immigrants:

Google, Apple (2nd gen), Intel, Tesla, ebay, Yahoo

alphaalpha1018y ago

Lol. I'm not anti-immigration, don't be so defensive, and I'm also not talking about the US. Stop bringing up the US. This is a thread about Japan and I'm talking about New Zealand.

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