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0 pointsbjd23858y ago0 comments

I wish Linux distros shipped with more recent language versions, e.g. Python 3.6 and Perl 6 in addition to just 3.4/5 and 5. I understand that it's not their job to try and push people to update their language skills, but it'd be nice to have access to them right off the bat if they feel like it.

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chriswarbo8y ago· 4 in thread

The difference between Python minor versions (e.g. 3.4 to 3.6) is tiny compared to the difference between Perl 5 and 6.

From what I've seen, the difference between Python 2.x and 3.x is tiny compared to the Perl 5/6 change.

b2gills8y ago

I think the difference between Perl 5.10 (2007) and 5.26 (2017) is bigger than difference between the Python 2 of 2007, and Python 3 of 2017

The difference between Perl 5 and Perl 6 is probably about 10x the difference between Perl 5.10 and 5.26

I like to explain it this way:

Perl 4 is to C

as Perl 5 is to C++

as Perl 6 is to Haskell/Smalltalk/C#/Swift/Julia…

tripa8y ago

Then again I've got Perl code I wrote in the 90s that still runs untouched on the latest Perl 5. Much more recent Python 2 code (of mine) still won't run untouched under Python 3.

So I might agree actually on the "bigger", but the "noticeability" does have a lot to do with the general feeling.

(to be clear, I agree with all of your comment)

bjd2385OP8y ago

I'm not extremely familiar with Perl 6 to be able to draw a comparison.

From what I know about Python 2/3, it's that you can write maybe 90% on average/in general of your code the same way without much thought about the differences. However, if you do wish to adopt the new features, there's plenty to keep you busy writing scripts for at least a few months, maybe even a year.

kbenson8y ago

Perl 6 is a different language from Perl 5. It's considered next in the "Perl family of languages". There are various things you can do to get interoperability between them, and run code from one in the other's interpreter, but the changes are much more pronounced that Python's 2->3 changes. It's closer to the difference between PHP and Perl 5. People familiar with Perl 5 will find a lot of the design decisions and concepts similar in Perl 6, but it will still be like learning a new, but similar, language to Perl 5.

riffraff8y ago· 1 in thread

python3.x vs 2.x is nowhere near the jump from perl5 to perl6.

It's basically a different language that shares some things, with few users. It would be nice to see it shopped, but you might as likely wish distribution shipped with crystal or nim.

bjd2385OP8y ago

Hey, it was a wish lol. I know we live in the real world here

qbaqbaqba8y ago· 1 in thread

Red Hat 7.3 ships perl 5.16.3 - it's from 2013. 6.9 ships perl 5.10.1 from 2009.

cestith8y ago

    $ cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.3.1611 (Core)

    $ yum info rakudo
    Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
    Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
     * base: mirror.team-cymru.org
     * epel: mirror.oss.ou.edu
     * extras: mirror.cloud-bricks.net
     * updates: mirror.atlantic.net
    Available Packages
    Name        : rakudo
    Arch        : x86_64
    Version     : 0.2017.04.2
    Release     : 1.el7
    Size        : 3.4 M
    Repo        : epel/x86_64
    Summary     : Perl 6 compiler implementation that runs on MoarVM
    URL         : http://rakudo.org/
    License     : Artistic 2.0
    Description : Rakudo Perl 6, or just Rakudo, is an implementation of the
                : Perl 6 language specification. More information about Perl 6 is available
                : from <http://perl6.org/>. This package provides a Perl 6 compiler built for
                : MoarVM virtual machine.

petepete8y ago

Some do.

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/python/

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10 comments · 4 top-level

chriswarbo8y ago· 4 in thread

The difference between Python minor versions (e.g. 3.4 to 3.6) is tiny compared to the difference between Perl 5 and 6.

From what I've seen, the difference between Python 2.x and 3.x is tiny compared to the Perl 5/6 change.

b2gills8y ago

I think the difference between Perl 5.10 (2007) and 5.26 (2017) is bigger than difference between the Python 2 of 2007, and Python 3 of 2017

The difference between Perl 5 and Perl 6 is probably about 10x the difference between Perl 5.10 and 5.26

I like to explain it this way:

Perl 4 is to C

as Perl 5 is to C++

as Perl 6 is to Haskell/Smalltalk/C#/Swift/Julia…

tripa8y ago

Then again I've got Perl code I wrote in the 90s that still runs untouched on the latest Perl 5. Much more recent Python 2 code (of mine) still won't run untouched under Python 3.

So I might agree actually on the "bigger", but the "noticeability" does have a lot to do with the general feeling.

(to be clear, I agree with all of your comment)

bjd2385OP8y ago

I'm not extremely familiar with Perl 6 to be able to draw a comparison.

kbenson8y ago

riffraff8y ago· 1 in thread

python3.x vs 2.x is nowhere near the jump from perl5 to perl6.

It's basically a different language that shares some things, with few users. It would be nice to see it shopped, but you might as likely wish distribution shipped with crystal or nim.

bjd2385OP8y ago

Hey, it was a wish lol. I know we live in the real world here

qbaqbaqba8y ago· 1 in thread

Red Hat 7.3 ships perl 5.16.3 - it's from 2013. 6.9 ships perl 5.10.1 from 2009.

cestith8y ago

    $ cat /etc/redhat-release
    CentOS Linux release 7.3.1611 (Core)

    $ yum info rakudo
    Loaded plugins: fastestmirror
    Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile
     * base: mirror.team-cymru.org
     * epel: mirror.oss.ou.edu
     * extras: mirror.cloud-bricks.net
     * updates: mirror.atlantic.net
    Available Packages
    Name        : rakudo
    Arch        : x86_64
    Version     : 0.2017.04.2
    Release     : 1.el7
    Size        : 3.4 M
    Repo        : epel/x86_64
    Summary     : Perl 6 compiler implementation that runs on MoarVM
    URL         : http://rakudo.org/
    License     : Artistic 2.0
    Description : Rakudo Perl 6, or just Rakudo, is an implementation of the
                : Perl 6 language specification. More information about Perl 6 is available
                : from <http://perl6.org/>. This package provides a Perl 6 compiler built for
                : MoarVM virtual machine.

petepete8y ago

Some do.

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/python/

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