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0 pointsdavidf188y ago0 comments

> "One group of women saying the culture in Uber is corrosive? Well that's rumour and innuendo."

I never suggested rumor or innuendo. But it is sexist to not believe not a single woman but a number of women who come out and support TK. Women know even if they have not experienced it directly (e.g. "the grapevine") if it were a sexist environment. It is sexist to discount the FB poster, Margaret-Ann Seger and the many other women who have come out in favor of TK. Ms. Seger even suggests the cultural difference which favors her personality in her post where she said she was too aggressive for the FB environment but fit right in with Uber.

Eric Holder would not be my first choice to investigate a corporate culture. There are professionals who have both MBAs and who are clinical psychologists that even specialize with hi-tech companies who also see patients on an individual basis. Eric Holder is not a clinical psychologist, has no clinical experience, is not an expert in corporate culture let alone the unique culture of the hi-tech startup firm.

These people have the clinical and business experience to deal with corporate cultures and those that specialize in hi-tech firms understand that unique environment.

Disclose, I have worked with such a specialist.

I have worked in Israel and the culture there can be off-putting to many in the US, especially those from the west coast. Intel, which employs 10,000 in Israel, even offers cross-cultural classes between West Coast and Israeli culture. Many people would consider Israelis very pushy (Hutzpah is the term). Israelis are very direct and many people don't like that. I happen to love that but adjust for different people.

In summary, it is sexist to discount the opinions of women who worked with TK. Eric Holder is not a clinical psychologist nor an expert in hi-tech culture. He is no industrial psychologist. It is strange that a non-professional would be chosen to investigate the organization.

Something else was going on.

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zzalpha8y ago

But it is sexist to not believe not a single woman but a number of women who come out and support TK.

ROFL. I could literally replace the word "support" with "do not support" in this sentence and it would be an equally valid argument.

A bad one. But equally so.

Read my comment again. I already explained why both groups of women could be right.

Something else was going on.

You're confirmation bias is showing again...

davidf18OP8y ago

To suggest that there is an culture of sexual abuse and for a number of women not to feel it and to state otherwise is sexual abusive. In fact they went as far as to praise the environment.

It is suggesting that these women's feelings should not be taken seriously.

You are either pregnant or not. You can't be both.

As I mentioned earlier, Eric Holder is a lawyer, the issue has do do with emotions and Eric Holder has absolutely no clinical training let alone clinical training for this specific kind of environment. That makes him unqualified to make judgments.

The question is why wasn't a specialist brought in. Someone who has the clinical training and business training who has experience dealing with hi-tech startup cultures brought in for an evaluation. It makes everything highly suspect.

I am not denying that some women and others may have been put off by the culture. Or that there may have been some specific cases of abuse. But clearly there was no culture of sexual abuse.

It simply cannot be that Ms. Sanger and a number of women were highly supportive of an environment that promoted sexual abuse. They are not crazy, they are not in denial. It was not a pervasive culture.

There is something else going on and to do everyone justice, don't use an unqualified lawyer to investigate, use a qualified industrial psychologist with extensive clinical training. Use the right person for the job.

As I said before, I have dealt with such a highly qualified individual. I use awareness of cognitive biases in my work where unlike Uber, cognitive biases can kill people.

Something else is going on. A properly trained industrial psychologist with clinical training and who knows the hi-tech startup environment should investigate.

zzalpha8y ago

Let's set aside the claim that stating an argument can be "sexually abusive"--I can't express how ridiculous that is--and cut to the core of your argument, which, if I may, can be summarized as follows:

When it comes to whether Uber possesses a sexually abusive workplace environment, You are either pregnant or not. You can't be both.

This is perfect example of a false dichotomy.

Corporate culture is not some monolithic thing.

Uber is a 15,000 person company. Individual departments and reporting chains likely varied significantly. That there may have been groups or departments in Uber that did not share the corrosive culture experienced elsewhere in the company is not only within reason, but to be expected.

I am not denying that some women and others may have been put off by the culture. Or that there may have been some specific cases of abuse. But clearly there was no culture of sexual abuse.

Do you work at Uber? Have you experienced their culture first hand? What, precisely, makes you qualified to make this determination, thus invalidating the claims of others who do have first-hand experience at the company and have said otherwise?

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0 pointsdavidf188y ago0 comments

> "One group of women saying the culture in Uber is corrosive? Well that's rumour and innuendo."

These people have the clinical and business experience to deal with corporate cultures and those that specialize in hi-tech firms understand that unique environment.

Disclose, I have worked with such a specialist.

Something else was going on.

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zzalpha8y ago

But it is sexist to not believe not a single woman but a number of women who come out and support TK.

ROFL. I could literally replace the word "support" with "do not support" in this sentence and it would be an equally valid argument.

A bad one. But equally so.

Read my comment again. I already explained why both groups of women could be right.

Something else was going on.

You're confirmation bias is showing again...

davidf18OP8y ago

To suggest that there is an culture of sexual abuse and for a number of women not to feel it and to state otherwise is sexual abusive. In fact they went as far as to praise the environment.

It is suggesting that these women's feelings should not be taken seriously.

You are either pregnant or not. You can't be both.

I am not denying that some women and others may have been put off by the culture. Or that there may have been some specific cases of abuse. But clearly there was no culture of sexual abuse.

As I said before, I have dealt with such a highly qualified individual. I use awareness of cognitive biases in my work where unlike Uber, cognitive biases can kill people.

Something else is going on. A properly trained industrial psychologist with clinical training and who knows the hi-tech startup environment should investigate.

zzalpha8y ago

When it comes to whether Uber possesses a sexually abusive workplace environment, You are either pregnant or not. You can't be both.

This is perfect example of a false dichotomy.

Corporate culture is not some monolithic thing.

I am not denying that some women and others may have been put off by the culture. Or that there may have been some specific cases of abuse. But clearly there was no culture of sexual abuse.

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