Only between a test and the specific code for the behavior under test. It's not good between test suites, abstraction layers, APIs, etc.
> #3: It’s good when something is known to be broken.
When compared to it being broken unknowingly, but not really otherwise.
> #15: The same bug almost never “reoccurs” so most “regression testing” is pure waste.
> #48: Writing tests for bugs that are fixed does NOT correlate with catching new bugs when they arise.
What about a situation where you have untested behavior (perhaps incomplete test coverage to begin with), then you find a problem in that code and write a test to prevent regression. When you later refactor the code under test there's a definite possibility of "regression" of sorts, especially if the refactoring is comprehensive.
> #20: “Black box” is a political designation and has no technical meaning.
A black box is a system where you can observe inputs and outputs but not the system performing the transmutation.
> #31: On a Web site with 1 million visits per week,a one-in-a-million event can occur once a week.
Quoted for thought-fodder, this one is awesome.
> #51: Granular and/or comprehensive documentation of a nontrivial Web site is demonstrably impossible.
It certainly feels this way, but what's the solution? Have no docs, write docs knowing they won't be comprehensive, or expect to chase an impossible goal?
> #66: If no one ever finds out about the bug then the bug never existed in the first place.
wink wink ... this simply isn't true!
> #83: Bugs cluster at the interfaces, bugs are not distributed randomly.
Isn't this only true if there's more unit-level testing than integration/functional testing?
> #84: There’s more time grains in 1 year of compute time than there are seconds in the age of the universe.
1 year of compute time for what? All of the computers in the world? A datacenter? A computer with a 1μ grain size has roughly 3.15E+13 grains per year but there are over 4E+17 seconds in the age of the universe.
> #93: More testing doesn’t correlate with better quality, less testing doesn’t correlate with worse quality.
I don't have any specific data but my experience has been that testing (manual or automated) does correlate with quality. Testing might be the developer pressing F5 a lot, writing automated tests, or a stakeholder manually end-user testing. Think about the state of software which was developed but never run. Software rarely executes flawlessly first-run, and every time a developer runs it, it's testing.
#2 that tight coupling can ever be good comes as a shock to the learner
#3 any breakage is an opportunity learn from and about failure — also when it's broken and you know that is better than if it's broken and you don't know
Regarding regression testing: writing tests is a design activity so if it is "driven" by whatever happened to break last, that sounds like treating the symptom not the underlying cause. That is why I have never been a fan of "bug-driven development" nor of large-scale regression testing.
#20 "who draws the lines" is an incredibly important political question. So who makes the declaration that the so-called black box can not or is not to be opened? This was my point. I understand what a black box means in software testing parlance.
#31 check out this great article then: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/larryosterman/2004/03/30/on...
#51 testing is runnable documentation and sufficiently advanced monitoring, particularly ubiquitous StatsD usage, is indistinguishable in practice from testing, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSo8i1N18oc
#66 I truly do not understand the objection you are making here. If an event goes unobserved and is without impact it is the same as if the event never occurred.
#83 no bugs always cluster at the interfaces between components
#84 Uh oh. I need to check my math and will respond further in another comment once I do so. Thanks!
#93 It's not that testing doesn't help. It's that if you have X amount of testing and you add Y amount of additional testing, THAT is not correlated with better quality. Likewise if for Reasons you do less testing in the future than you do right now, that is not guaranteed to degrade your quality.
#66 says: "If no one ever finds out about the bug then the bug never existed in the first place."
While the outcome is the same, it doesn't literally mean the bug never existed. The existence of a bug is orthogonal to its discovery. Its discovery does not bring about its existence.
Do you have any data for #93? I'd expect a power log distribution.
See here: http://infiniteundo.com/post/117192619718
"Time grain" seems like the wrong word here I will replace it with something more specific. Thank you for pointing this out and if you still dispute my math I would consider it helpful to hear why :)
1000000 (microseconds/second) * 60 (sec/min) * 30 (min for a half hour) = 1800000000
10^9= 1000000000
