The Social Transformation of Trust in Government (2005) [pdf] (opens in new tab)

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36 pointsjustaguyonline9y ago12 comments

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afsina9y ago· 3 in thread

Wish I could say "Because more people read anatomy of state?"

I find radical libertarian ideology more childish and ahistorical than socialism. A strong state is a miracle that has enabled humanity's most amazing achievements. There is almost no history of societies without a strong state because without a strong state humanity has proven time and again that it is unable to achieve much more than violent tribalism.

em3rgent0rdr9y ago

The State is a parasite that feeds off the productive class. People have been prospering as a result of technology and the market in spite of the state.

> "There is almost no history of societies without a strong state"

Umm, what about the Renaissance which happened in relatively small & weak Italian city-states.

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interstitial9y ago

Laughable. Strong states exists off satellite cultures, until they collapse from the plaque of stupid that grows around their weak inbreed elite.

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yorwba9y ago· 2 in thread

Am I just dense or are the figures in this paper completely unrelated to the text?

justaguyonlineOP9y ago

Nope, it took me a while before I realized I wasn't just stupid and that that graphs were completely unrelated too.

Here's a link to a version that seems to have the correct graphs: http://sci-hub.cc/10.1080/03906700500038819

I found Figure 3 particularly striking. Education (pre-1950) used to be correlated with greater trust in government, now it's correlated with less.

esbranson9y ago

Civics courses are and were little more than rote indoctrination in the status quo. It makes you appreciate the political system. (E.g., take them in the UK and you will learn how great monarchy is.) But our current education policy has less civics now.

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justaguyonlineOP9y ago

Found this document referenced in an article [1] I read about trust in American institutions. I usually skim these things but I was so surprised to hear that America's dropping trust in institutions is shared internationally that I ended up getting fascinated enough to read it.

I'm especially fascinated by the facts that a) this drop started at roughly the same time for most of these nations (the 1960-70's) and that b) we evidently know that in both Germany and Japan trust in government was rising heavily post-war until this point.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/03/03/...

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8 comments · 3 top-level

afsina9y ago· 3 in thread

Wish I could say "Because more people read anatomy of state?"

guelo9y ago

em3rgent0rdr9y ago

The State is a parasite that feeds off the productive class. People have been prospering as a result of technology and the market in spite of the state.

> "There is almost no history of societies without a strong state"

Umm, what about the Renaissance which happened in relatively small & weak Italian city-states.

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interstitial9y ago

Laughable. Strong states exists off satellite cultures, until they collapse from the plaque of stupid that grows around their weak inbreed elite.

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yorwba9y ago· 2 in thread

Am I just dense or are the figures in this paper completely unrelated to the text?

justaguyonlineOP9y ago

Nope, it took me a while before I realized I wasn't just stupid and that that graphs were completely unrelated too.

Here's a link to a version that seems to have the correct graphs: http://sci-hub.cc/10.1080/03906700500038819

I found Figure 3 particularly striking. Education (pre-1950) used to be correlated with greater trust in government, now it's correlated with less.

esbranson9y ago

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justaguyonlineOP9y ago

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/03/03/...

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