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0 pointsindustriousthou9y ago0 comments

I mean, the whole idea is that if people have their basic needs met, they'll be able to be more creative and productive. Homeless people are the perfect counter example.

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Turing_Machine9y ago

No. Homeless people almost all have mental illness, substance abuse problems, or some combination of the two.

I'm not seeing why you and the OP think they are representative of the general population in any way. They are, pretty much by definition, people who are too messed up to function in society.

knieveltech9y ago

You couldn't be more wrong here. Have some facts:

https://www.nlchp.org/documents/Homeless_Stats_Fact_Sheet

Turing_Machine9y ago

Posting a link to a spun document from an advocacy group doesn't actually prove me wrong.

For example, "sleeping in public places not meant for human habitation" would include anyone who has ever taken a nap in the airport, even one time.

When the piece starts out with an obviously bogus definition, there's really not much point in going through it point by point. It has zero credibility from the start.

Other sources (easily found by Google) suggest that up to 2/3 of the real chronic homeless population has problems with alcohol and/or other substances

knieveltech9y ago

You're moving the goalposts. You said homeless. If you're now shifting your claim to merely "chronic" homeless that's a different conversation all together. Furthermore do you have source material that calls the numbers used in the article into question or were you planning on solely relying on ad hominem to win the day?

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industriousthouOP9y ago

Why wouldn't people with mental illness or substance abuse problems be able to be creative and productive if their basic needs were met?

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Turing_Machine9y ago

No. Homeless people almost all have mental illness, substance abuse problems, or some combination of the two.

I'm not seeing why you and the OP think they are representative of the general population in any way. They are, pretty much by definition, people who are too messed up to function in society.

knieveltech9y ago

You couldn't be more wrong here. Have some facts:

https://www.nlchp.org/documents/Homeless_Stats_Fact_Sheet

Turing_Machine9y ago

Posting a link to a spun document from an advocacy group doesn't actually prove me wrong.

For example, "sleeping in public places not meant for human habitation" would include anyone who has ever taken a nap in the airport, even one time.

When the piece starts out with an obviously bogus definition, there's really not much point in going through it point by point. It has zero credibility from the start.

Other sources (easily found by Google) suggest that up to 2/3 of the real chronic homeless population has problems with alcohol and/or other substances

knieveltech9y ago

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industriousthouOP9y ago

Why wouldn't people with mental illness or substance abuse problems be able to be creative and productive if their basic needs were met?

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