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0 pointsnathanasmith9y ago0 comments

>And speaking as a White Male, the idea that the deck is stacked against us

So you speak for the experience of all white males now? You know what it's like to grow up in Appalachia? Did you lose a factory job in Michigan? Did you have any experience coal mining in Pennsylvania until you couldn't? Have you farmed in the middle of Kansas? If not then don't try to speak for the people who have. This kind of rhetoric from the left is a very good reason why Trump is the President-Elect right now. If your side figures that out sometime in the next four years, you might have a chance next time.

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tptacek9y ago

This is true.

But that doesn't mean the preceding comment was right to compare "grab them by the balls" to "grab them by the pussy". "Grab them by the balls" is an expression. "Grab them by the pussy" was a claim that Trump could do exactly that, to anyone he chose, by virtue of his celebrity. That claim was backed by a Cosby-esque assortment of women with sexual assault stories involving Trump.

DefaultUserHN9y ago

>"Grab them by the pussy"

Total misquote.

The actual was "They let you grab their pussy." Emphasis on the "THEY LET".

In other words, there was consent already.

grzm9y ago

I agree that one could interpret the quote in context that way. I also appreciate the effort to correct misinformation and cherry-picked quotes.

In this case, the gp quote is accurate, though arguably cherry-picked or purposely misinterpreted.

Trump: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

I've trimmed the quote in the interest of space, while leaving enough to attempt to show the context. If you'd like to add more context, I have no problem with that. I chose the sources I did as they were the first that came up in the search results when looking for the full transcript.

- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-trans...

- http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321

peterclary9y ago

I certainly don't claim to speak for all white male. However, pleading that white males are more discriminated against than women or majorities is making exactly the same kind of mistake of which you are erroneously accusing me. You are trying to cover up the flaw in your logic with an ad hominem attack.

I should clarify: the deck is massively stacked against a great number of people. White males are massively represented in that number. However, for many situations women and minorities face additional discrimination which you are, for some reason, unwilling or unable to acknowledge.

nathanasmithOP9y ago

>I should clarify: the deck is massively stacked against a great number of people. White males are massively represented in that number. However, for many situations women and minorities face additional discrimination which you are, for some reason, unwilling or unable to acknowledge.

Again you are reducing the experience of millions of people into your little clear-cut categories and trying to speak for them. Not only are you trying to speak for white males but you apparently also speak for women and minorities. Your side's identity politicking is fallacious to its core and cost you the election. But don't stop now, we have another election in 2 years.

peterclary9y ago

I spoke as a White Male, not as a representative of all White Males. It would help if you focused on the discussion at hand instead of just perpetuating ad hominem attacks.

Your position appears to be that nobody should speak for, or even attempt to understand, anyone who does not share their own particular experience. That is obviously fallacious and suggests trolling.

I'm not sure what clear-cut categories you are reading. Perhaps you could in your infinite wisdom educate us poor unenlightened seekers of wisdom as to the true state of world affairs?

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tptacek9y ago

This is true.

DefaultUserHN9y ago

>"Grab them by the pussy"

Total misquote.

The actual was "They let you grab their pussy." Emphasis on the "THEY LET".

In other words, there was consent already.

grzm9y ago

I agree that one could interpret the quote in context that way. I also appreciate the effort to correct misinformation and cherry-picked quotes.

In this case, the gp quote is accurate, though arguably cherry-picked or purposely misinterpreted.

Trump: And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.

Bush: Whatever you want.

Trump: Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

- http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-trans...

- http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37595321

peterclary9y ago

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peterclary9y ago

I spoke as a White Male, not as a representative of all White Males. It would help if you focused on the discussion at hand instead of just perpetuating ad hominem attacks.

Your position appears to be that nobody should speak for, or even attempt to understand, anyone who does not share their own particular experience. That is obviously fallacious and suggests trolling.

I'm not sure what clear-cut categories you are reading. Perhaps you could in your infinite wisdom educate us poor unenlightened seekers of wisdom as to the true state of world affairs?

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