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0 pointspeterclary9y ago0 comments

I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim. They're almost as capitalist as the Republicans, but - I think - more protections for equality.

The problem is that Capitalism doesn't care about people. It is a system, and the worth of commodities and even people is determined by the market. People lose their jobs because either automation can replace them, or the job can be done cheaper elsewhere. Either way, that is capitalism, and if you support capitalism then that that is the inevitable result. You can try and restrict the impact by reducing global trade, but even if you built a wall around the USA and didn't import anything, as technology gets more and more efficient there will still be fewer and fewer jobs in the USA.

What's your proposal for people who can't get jobs because there aren't enough of them?

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masondixon9y ago

> I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim.

Yes Dems are not communism at all. I am talking about Progressives and Bernie ppl. The next primaries will see if this faction takes over.

> What's your proposal for people who can't get jobs because there aren't enough of them?

I'm not sure, but I like the idea of basic income.

The side effects have to be addressed though.

peterclaryOP9y ago

You think that basic income is a good idea but you think that Bernie Sanders is communism? What exactly don't you like about Sanders? I'm genuinely curious because my impression was that Sanders would have done better against Trump, at least in the Midwest where Trump did very strongly.

prodigal_erik9y ago

The key is to reward people for doing good valuable work and route more of society's resources to them for productive use. The consequence of working badly or not at all can be a very modest life, it doesn't have to be starvation or homelessness.

Communism seems to assume everyone will want to work, and send out the murderous thugs when it doesn't go to plan.

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masondixon9y ago

I like being entrepreneurial and making things more efficient. This takes away jobs. I don't want to stop making things more efficient through automation. I don't want to hold back progress. But these people need to live. So basic income.

Sanders has too much animosity towards the wealthy.

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masondixon9y ago

> I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim.

Yes Dems are not communism at all. I am talking about Progressives and Bernie ppl. The next primaries will see if this faction takes over.

> What's your proposal for people who can't get jobs because there aren't enough of them?

I'm not sure, but I like the idea of basic income.

The side effects have to be addressed though.

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prodigal_erik9y ago

Communism seems to assume everyone will want to work, and send out the murderous thugs when it doesn't go to plan.

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masondixon9y ago

Sanders has too much animosity towards the wealthy.

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0 pointspeterclary9y ago0 comments

I think the Dems are a long, long way away from anything which vaguely passes for communisim. They're almost as capitalist as the Republicans, but - I think - more protections for equality.

What's your proposal for people who can't get jobs because there aren't enough of them?