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0 pointsFireBeyond9y ago0 comments

That's a facile example.

You still own your house, but the government, as elected by the people, has decided that one of the ways to encourage/ enforce property tax payment is the right to use said property as collateral. You explicitly agree that you are obligated to do so, and laws, which aren't secret, divulge the possible consequences of failure to do so. This in no way diminishes ownership, any more than you parking the car that you own somewhere that it may be towed and impounded means that you somehow "never really owned it".

If you want to talk about ownership of the -land- that's a different, tangential, kettle of fish.

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joering29y ago

I have not signed nor agreed on any such a thing. I got house from my grandpa who build it on his own land. So if anything I am forced into either paying the property tax or facing penalty of having my house closed down and put for bid.

Call it anything but, please don't call it an ownership.

FireBeyondOP9y ago

I fear this is going down a rabbit hole, but nonetheless.

You are, I suspect deliberately, attempting to obfuscate the issue of ownership. Here are some examples:

- you legally own a gun. you use gun in commission of a crime. gun will be confiscated.

- you legally own a vehicle. you use it in commission of a crime (whether as a getaway vehicle, or striking a pedestrian). car can be confiscated.

Whether you think they SHOULD be or not, not paying taxes is considered a crime.

That doesn't mean your ownership of the house, the car, the gun are any less valid, only that the government has determined that possible confiscation of said property is a viable punishment for violation of certain laws.

If you want to carry that to the extreme - you own nothing, because the government can confiscate it.

Which makes me wonder how your grandpa "owned" that land? How did he acquire it?

You didn't sign or agree to obey the laws of the city, county, state or country you live in either.

I presume that also means you are not beholden to those, either?

As I said, I suspect this is a rabbit hole of twisted reasoning and logic that I don't overly care to get into, but the simple fact remains. Ownership of any object is tangential to the potential of being deprived of possession thereof.

joering29y ago

> Whether you think they SHOULD be or not, not paying taxes is considered a crime

That's fine so lock me up. But don't take over my property and sell it to the highest bidder. If they have a right to do so, I have to be naive to say "I own my house".

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agentdrtran9y ago

You're a 'taxes are theft' person aren't you?

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