"that doesn't say PHP is good" - what are you trying to say here? That they hate PHP but keep working with it?
You see, that's a hater's logic.
Every PHP's advantage or eviddence you've given, you are trying to dismiss or even twist, calling it a disadvantage - usual tricks for the internet discussion when you aren't interested to find the truth but just to keep pressing with your opinion.
Honestly, this kind of discussion is the only problem with PHP.
