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0 pointsjotato9y ago0 comments

I graduated from ITT 11 years ago. Care if I chime in?

* Why did I go? I was just out of high-school and I wanted to be a software engineer. I looked at the local university (Robert Morris in Pittsburgh, PA), but I didn't like their program. I was one of those kids who started tinkering with programming at 12 by making Pokemon fan sites :)

4 Years at a university studying a generic comp-sci degree didn't appeal to me. ITT offered a degree in Software Applications and Programming. It was what I was looking for.

* What did I study? As mentioned, Software Applications and Programming. Aside from the core classes (English, Calc, Trig, etc...) there were 2 OS classes, 2 VB, 2 C++, 2 Java, 2 webdev and 1 data structures class. at 18, this is what I was looking for. A few classes to teach me the basics in those areas and let me chase down the rest.

* What was it like? I don't have a single word to describe it, and when people ask me in person I find that I can take a good 20 minutes describing it. I'll do my best to sum it up.

disclaimer: they kept 3 students on hand as lab assistants and I was one for most of my two years there. Basically, we helped out the professors as needed and offered to help tutor. It paid something like $8/hr. My opinion may be skewed because of that.

- It was 100% for profit, and you could tell. Professors wouldn't really be allowed to fail students. It always bothered me that someone who only came to class on the first and last days was able to "barely pass"

- "Testing out" was frowned upon. You could do it, but you needed permission from the Dean, and meet with the professor and "career services" before you took the test. I was told you had to pass with a 100% to test out - I can't really vouch for that since I never tried.

- "Career Services" was a bit of a joke. It was 3 ladies who would critic your resume and let you know if they had heard of any job opening. Don't get me wrong, they were really nice people who wanted to help. I just didn't get much value from them. Sometimes local companies would come to ITT to post job openings. CS would at least email those out to you if you wanted.

- The classes were basic - "topic for dummies" basic. I'm no genius, but I didn't have to take notes. I don't know if it was that I had already been learning for 7 years before ITT or what, but I didn't really learn many new things there. It was kind of two years of review. I may be wrong on this one; I just don't have any memories of struggling to learn something.

- The professors and staff were nice. They did want to see you succeed.

- Credit transfers. They were upfront most colleges wouldn't transfer credits, but rumor had it the local university would take a few. Mainly the cores (maths, english, etc..)

* Final thoughts? - Would I go again? No

- Would I tell other people to go? No

- Was it worth it? Yes. I did get a degree. It isn't prestigious and I don't care. I was able to have a job lined up (in my field) before graduation. Fast forward to today and I have moved to the other side of the country. I have a great family, a good consulting job, and the confidence I need to build any software you want.

How much of that was ITT, and how much was my own sweat and blood? I don't know. What I do know is I would not have been hired at the same place right out of college. Which means I wouldn't have made the connections I did which led to me moving across the country.

edit:

I see a few topics regarding loan forgiveness because of fraud. I experienced no such thing. Sure, the recruiters made a few statements that I consider un-true. But i wouldn't call it fraud. They did provide an education. (It may not have been the best) and they did try to place you in a job (they can't place everybody!)

Ultimately, it was on me for borrowing money; not the school

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dljs9y ago· 3 in thread

Hi, I am like you.

I graduated 7 years ago from ITT. I went for the same reason you did as I looked at the processes of traditional universities and didn't want to be in a lecture hall. I got a 2 year degree in CNS. I have been a software engineer for 8 years now professionally. Like you I saw it was for profit and the teachers were pressured into passing people even though they clearly shouldn't have. Some of the teachers knew what they were teaching and some didn't; in my linux class I was paid by a student to help them understand the curriculum because they couldn't learn it from the teacher. Was it worth it to me? For what I paid no. I wouldn't tell anyone else to go. My degree did transfer though to a non-profit regionally and nationally accredited school so I am hoping to complete that soon. Even though I am in the top bracket of software dev earners where I am I chose to go back to school for personal reasons as I study at night regardless and think at least get a degree out of it now, and man am I glad I transferred the degree when I did.

My attitude on our entire education system has changed, as I believe the government should have had more regulations in place in the first place so this would've never happened.

I know more people like you and I that went to ITT and regardless whether we would have not gone I do not think it would have affected our current situation at all differently, only that we would have had the money we spent on students loans to do something better with it.

jotatoOP9y ago

So your credits did transfer then? (some of them?)

dljs9y ago

Yes, I was surprised.

tptacek9y ago

Neato, both of you. Thanks for answering!

SilasX9y ago

Thanks for giving a thorough, positive (relatively!) account of your experience with ITT. I went to one a coding bootcamp myself (for-profit) and would say mostly the same things. The instruction leaved a lot to be desired and I left having learned fewer skills than were advertised, but it got me on the track I wanted to be on and I've been employed in the kind of work I wanted to be since.

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