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0 pointslisivka9y ago0 comments

Russians (Great Russians, Russish, русские, великоросы) were speaking their own native languages. For example, Putin is Uyghur. He is Russian and his native language is Russian, but Russian is not native language for Uyghurs.

The longer explanation:

There is three kinds of "Russians". Rus`, Rusyns, Russians.

Rus` lived at Baltic Sea. Rus` means "red". They were warriors, i.e. their life was to fight, trade, and collect taxes. Their native language is unknown (probably, Old Norse). At times of Great Epidemic, they left their city (now known as Old Russa, Старая Русса) and "concurred" South and started to govern it, so territory of current Ukraine got name "Rus`". Slavish colonists at these territories got name "Rusyns" (русины) (see below). At time of expansion of Rus`, North people was concurred and paid taxes to Rus` (Лаврентеевская летопись, ст 4. об. «А вот другие народы, дающие дань Руси: чудь, меря, весь, мурома, черемисы, мордва, пермь, печера, ямь, литва, зимигола, корсь, нарова, ливонцы, - эти говорят на своих языках, они - потомство Иафета, живущее в северных странах.»). They got name "Russish" (русские). This was time of "Great Rus`", so North Russians are also known as "Great Russians" (Великоросы), while South Russians (Slavs) are also known as "Little (Core) Russians" (Малоросы).

Summary:

  * Rus` - possibly warriors union or Varangians, native language (probably): Old Norse.
  * Rusyns (Ukrainians) - Slavish colonists governed by Rus`, native language: Slavish.
  * Russish (Russians) - native Europeans, native language: many, probably Finno-Ugric and others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Staraya_Russa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruthenia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus'_%28name%29#From_Rus.27_to...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finno-Ugric_peoples

NOTE: -in, -yn, -an means "he/she" (modified "он" - "he"), -yny, -iny, -any, -ini, etc. - "they" (modified "они" - they) ("y" as in lynx). So Rysyn (русин) means "he is Rus`", Rysyny (русини) means "they are (people of) Rus`". Russians means "they are Russia", "россияне", but selfname of Russians is Russish ("русские").

Moreover, Russia is Greek name of Rus`, given by Catherine II (born in Prussia) to Moscovia, because Russia was used at West as name of past parts of Great Russia. Nikolai Kostomarov wrote something like "LOL, we are Russians now" at time of rename (ДЂло въ томъ, что названіе Руси укрЂпилось издревле за южнорусскимъ народомъ. Названіе не возникаетъ безъ факта. Нельзя навязать народу ни съ того, ни съ сего какое-нибудь имя. Это могло приходить въ голову только такимъ мудрецамъ, противъ которыхъ мы недавно писали (1) и которые намъ сообщили прекурьёзную новость, какъ Екатерина II, высочайшимъ повелЂніемъ, даровала Московскому народу имя Русскаго и запретила ему употреблять древнее свое имя — Московитяне.)

* Rus` - possibly warriors union or Varangians, native language (probably): Old Norse. * Rusyns (Ukrainians) - Slavish colonists governed by Rus`, native language: Slavish. * Russish (Russians) - native Europeans, native language: many, probably Finno-Ugric and others.

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iopq9y ago· 3 in thread

-in is actually a a possessive suffix

мамин (mamin) - mother's кошкин дом (koshkin dom) - "Cat's house"

it also refers to people

болгарин (bolgarin) - Bulgarian боярин (boyarin) - boyar

the etymology of Rus is from Scandinavia, see Fin. Ruotsi "Sweden", Ruotsalainen "Swede"

lisivkaOP9y ago

Yep, you are right.

-in, -yn, -ian, -an: "he"/"they".

-yaki, yaky, -aky: "which is/which are".

Pol - field, "farmer". Polyak - which is Pol (Western Slavs). Polyan - he is Pol (Eastern Slavs).

Moreover, Arab: ar - horse, ab - (one) of. Arab - one of riders.

diminish9y ago

And what is the etymology of Moscow, Yauza, and Oka, Volga and rivers... ?

iopq9y ago

Moscow comes from the locative на Москви (na Moskvi), while the original form is *Москы. It's using the locative because the hydronym (name of the river) is older than the name of the city. So the city comes from the name of the river.

Further, Lith. mazgóti "wash, splash", Latin mergō "dive"

Yauza probably from ya- and -(v)uz (vyazat' - to tie, bind, knit, uzel - knot) so maybe something like "the river that ties"

There are several etymologies for Oka, it probably has a form of oko (eye) in it, maybe from a Baltic source.

Volga has the same root as vlaga, vologa - "wetness"

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mcguire9y ago· 3 in thread

"At times of Great Epidemic,..."

The plague of 1770?

lisivkaOP9y ago

No. It was about 1 thousand of years earlier. Documents and recorded stories are referred to two major events, which caused to abandon cities and colonies: Great Epidemic, then army of White Ugric.

ptaipale9y ago

Would the Great Epidemic refer to Plague of Justinian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian

That army of White Ugric sounds unfamiliar to me, what would that be? Perhaps the Finno-Ugric tribes who in 1087 raided and sacked Sigtuna, then capital of Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigtuna

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mcguire9y ago

Thanks! Do you have a recommendation for learning more?

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dragandj9y ago

I doubt that Putin is Uyghur, nor he looks like one. But, that's besides the point. Even if he was Uyghur, that would make him a member of a minority nation from Russia, who would speak Uyghur language as his mother tongue. I do not see the connection with the original post.

Russians speak the Russian language, its various local dialects, and were speaking it since it evolved from old (Proto)Slavic language(s). Of course it changed a lot during the millenia, but it is a natural language like any other major european language.

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9 comments · 3 top-level

iopq9y ago· 3 in thread

-in is actually a a possessive suffix

мамин (mamin) - mother's кошкин дом (koshkin dom) - "Cat's house"

it also refers to people

болгарин (bolgarin) - Bulgarian боярин (boyarin) - boyar

the etymology of Rus is from Scandinavia, see Fin. Ruotsi "Sweden", Ruotsalainen "Swede"

lisivkaOP9y ago

Yep, you are right.

-in, -yn, -ian, -an: "he"/"they".

-yaki, yaky, -aky: "which is/which are".

Pol - field, "farmer". Polyak - which is Pol (Western Slavs). Polyan - he is Pol (Eastern Slavs).

Moreover, Arab: ar - horse, ab - (one) of. Arab - one of riders.

diminish9y ago

And what is the etymology of Moscow, Yauza, and Oka, Volga and rivers... ?

iopq9y ago

Further, Lith. mazgóti "wash, splash", Latin mergō "dive"

Yauza probably from ya- and -(v)uz (vyazat' - to tie, bind, knit, uzel - knot) so maybe something like "the river that ties"

There are several etymologies for Oka, it probably has a form of oko (eye) in it, maybe from a Baltic source.

Volga has the same root as vlaga, vologa - "wetness"

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mcguire9y ago· 3 in thread

"At times of Great Epidemic,..."

The plague of 1770?

lisivkaOP9y ago

No. It was about 1 thousand of years earlier. Documents and recorded stories are referred to two major events, which caused to abandon cities and colonies: Great Epidemic, then army of White Ugric.

ptaipale9y ago

Would the Great Epidemic refer to Plague of Justinian?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plague_of_Justinian

That army of White Ugric sounds unfamiliar to me, what would that be? Perhaps the Finno-Ugric tribes who in 1087 raided and sacked Sigtuna, then capital of Swedes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigtuna

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mcguire9y ago

Thanks! Do you have a recommendation for learning more?

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dragandj9y ago

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