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0 pointsDylan168079y ago0 comments

I think if "almost nobody uses it" it's fair to call it obscure.

> another case where Windows is more UNIX than UNIX

Windows has extended attributes too. Having both features makes it more like a kitchen sink.

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chris_wot9y ago· 5 in thread

It's used in lots of places. Internet Explorer uses it to save whether a file was downloaded via IE. They are just only useful on NTFS, and often not even then because file hating utilities like Dropbox don't store them. So if you upload a file with an ADS to Dropbox, then copy it back again, you'll have lost that data.

One thing I'm not sure about is whether it appears in the file size when using dir. And if you apply a file hashing algorithm to generate a hash and you only use the file attributes, base file name and $DEFAULT data stream then you can append to the file via another data stream. So hash utilities need to be AFS aware to be truly useful in Windows.

Unless you are calling data an "attribute" though, it's really a bit of a silly comparison. Literally it's a seperate namespace in which you store data. The standard tools and utilities provided by Windows generally only look at $DEFAULT. The article is correct, git is pretty much doing something very similar, only the data is stored in .git (or specified somewhere else) and you use a tool like git to get access to that data, but you can also dive into the directory directly with any other tool. In Windows you use streams.exe, and it's a. generalised, b. non-portable as it's an intrinsic part of NTFS, and c. denoted as part of the NTFS filename by the delimiter ":", which is a reserved character and documented as such.

https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/askcore/2013/03/24/alter...

besselheim9y ago

Using dir normally does not display anything related to the alternate data streams, but if you use the /r option, their names and sizes will be shown.

kristianp9y ago

Speaking of dropbox, it adds its own attributes, called com.dropbox.attributes with 83 bytes of binary data, according to 'dir /r'.

mbakke9y ago

> Internet Explorer uses it to save whether a file was downloaded via IE.

Wait, but why? Chromium (at least on Linux) uses extended attributes too, but to record the origin and referrer of downloaded files (which can be really useful, once you know about it).

hug9y ago

Chrome does it too. As does outlook, Firefox, possibly a bunch of other things. I think you'll find that the stream is zone-identifier. It can contain a value of 1 to 4, where each corresponds to a list of Windows' security zones. (Restricted sites, internet sites, local Intranet, and trusted sites from 4 to 1 respectively. There's a fifth option, zone 0, which is "local computer", but it's unused.)

This is the source of the prompts in Windows that say "this file came from the Internet, are you sure you wish to run it?".

int_19h9y ago

To be more specific, IE (and most browsers on Windows, actually) use alternate streams to record that the file originates from the network, in a certain standardized way. When such a file is an executable file, and the user attempts to launch it (via Explorer; I don't think this happens for command line), they will get a confirmation dialog from the OS telling them that it's unsafe.

Other applications can perform similar checks on file formats that they handle, if the payload can be dangerous when untrusted. E.g. Visual Studio will give you a warning if you're trying to open a project file with this bit set.

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