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0 pointsrakoo9y ago0 comments

Here we go again. There has already been countless discussions on HN about why Slack has raised instead of IRC, see (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10486541) for instance.

In short: Slack is what you get when you have a team managing an IRC server with all the nice plugins and bots and building a single UI that does everything. You can spend your time setting up the same thing, or you can go to Slack.

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flukus9y ago

So because something is hard to setup we should regressive from an open internet to walled gardens.

Why not make IRC easier to setup?

rakooOP9y ago

Because IRC-the-protocol currently doesn't have what is requested by the users who prefer Slack over it:

* offline messages * full history access and search * fancy authentication schemes

There are some who try to build a full experience similar to what Slack is proposing; I'm thinking of IRCCloud for instance. But then instead of being stuck inside Slack, you're stuck inside IRCCloud (note: for the nice features, not for the basic messages). What we'd need is an open source IRCCloud server and client, that would then become the new standard... then only can IRC compete.

So, it's not just a software issue, it's a protocol issue. Which is why XMPP was born, and Matrix was born, and all other IM protocols were born. But none of them has reached the point where they can overwhelm all the other ones combined, so in the meantime people converge towards a centralized system because it's easier to be up-to-date.

jjrh9y ago

I believe slack does have a IRC gateway.

A webbased irc client that doesn't suck (and keeps a channel log) would probably be a good solution to making things easy for people unfamiliar with IRC.

Some sort of one click setup for a channel on Freenode or a similar network would probably be pretty popular - especially if you could get some useful bots from the get go (like git ones) .

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