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0 pointsPhasmaFelis10y ago0 comments

That's not an excuse. Microsoft can and has been pushing updates to 7 to enable the constant upgrade nagging. They've even been continually pushing new updates that get more and more naggy. There is nothing preventing them from including an update that makes 7's restart logic less sadistic, but they've chosen not to do that.

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eropple10y ago· 11 in thread

Can you explain to me why Microsoft should expend time and effort to encourage behavior (staying on Windows 7) that increases their costs and increases fragility in their ecosystem? I'm not sympathetic to the dark patterns they use to push people to upgrade, but I'm 100% onboard with not pushing improvements to an older operating system.

sametmax10y ago

Because we paid for their OS and expect it to be supported ?

Windows 8 was out in 2013, 3 fraking years ago. Even Ubuntu, which is free, has LTS supported for 5 years.

When you pay good money for an OS you use in your business, it's damn logical you want it to last you almost a decade without having to play the upgrade game all over again.

I don't have time for that. I don't have the money for that. And I don't need that. The OS is not a product I want to think about, it's this transparent thing that I'm supposed to forget while I doing actual work.

This Windows upgrade is uneeded and unwanted.

Yet it kept comming back to disturb me in my work with stupid notifications, reminding me that one day, it may reboot my computer at the worst moment, eat all my hard drive space or make me loose hours locking my computer.

What happened ? Well, one day my windows pratition broke for some reason I can't figure out and I got a perpetual guest account. I'm not even trying to fix it. I just stay 100% of my time on my Ubuntu one, because I don't want to deal with it.

eropple10y ago

> Because we paid for their OS and expect it to be supported ?

The upgrade is free. You are being supported. You can choose not to upgrade (and I think you're wrong, but it is your choice). What I don't understand the mindset behind "no, I won't upgrade, but I want a bunch of feature-change patches without making me upgrade" (as with the assertion that the auto-restart logic could/should be changed for Windows 7, not Windows 8).

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abakker10y ago

What about a computer that runs a specific piece of software (say, Mach3 for CNC control) that doesn't have a win10 alternative. It only runs in windows 7 32 bit. There is no good alternative. I would prefer to make the determination that the machine will NEVER update. I just need it to remain the same until mach 3 updates or an alternative comes along.

tracker110y ago

Then disconnect it from the internet, and disable automatic updates... easy, peasy.

edit: regarding downvotes... if the software versioning is mission critical for a system, then having automatic updates and being connected to an external network is a risk to that critical system. I wasn't trying to be pedantic, but was being perhaps more terse than some may appreciate.

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eropple10y ago

My understanding (I don't keep old OSes around so I can't test) is that Automatic Updates settings are still honored. Is this incorrect?

Past that, is there a reason that system should be connected to the Internet in the first place?

marssaxman10y ago

How about this: it's none of their business what people choose to do with their computers. It's not their ecosystem.

majewsky10y ago

I disagree. Outdated and thus soon malware-ridden systems are a threat to all systems connected directly or indirectly to them, so users are obliged either to keep their systems clean and up-to-date. Either themselves or through experts, or through automated servicing.

Much like how cars must be serviced in regular intervals if they are to be operated on shared infrastructure (roads).

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wang_li10y ago

They should simply perform their obligations around providing fixes for the product for the duration of the advertised support period.

That they are running software on thousands or hundreds of thousands of machines that was advertised as an update but is instead advertware is a crap move on their part. It's probably not a strong legal argument, but IMO they should be paying me to use my system to run software of their choice, much in the way that I would pay to use Azure to run software of my choice on their systems.

tracker110y ago

I'll agree that the nagware aspect is pretty harsh, but disagree they shouldn't have pushed it via autoupdate... it really is an opportunity to update/upgrade to a new version... or would you expect ubuntu to not tell you there's a new version you can upgrade to as well?

That said, I'm kind of with GP, I'd rather have most people updated to the current windows, spyware issues aside, it's better for stability/security.

psook10y ago

Because it breaks screenreaders for the blind and it doesn't offer a solution to that.

PhasmaFelisOP10y ago

IF you have enough time to push an update that causes people's computers to shut down and install a new operating system in the middle of a Skype call, then you have enough time to fix that glaring problem.

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sametmax10y ago

Because we paid for their OS and expect it to be supported ?

Windows 8 was out in 2013, 3 fraking years ago. Even Ubuntu, which is free, has LTS supported for 5 years.

When you pay good money for an OS you use in your business, it's damn logical you want it to last you almost a decade without having to play the upgrade game all over again.

This Windows upgrade is uneeded and unwanted.

eropple10y ago

> Because we paid for their OS and expect it to be supported ?

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abakker10y ago

tracker110y ago

Then disconnect it from the internet, and disable automatic updates... easy, peasy.

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eropple10y ago

My understanding (I don't keep old OSes around so I can't test) is that Automatic Updates settings are still honored. Is this incorrect?

Past that, is there a reason that system should be connected to the Internet in the first place?

marssaxman10y ago

How about this: it's none of their business what people choose to do with their computers. It's not their ecosystem.

majewsky10y ago

Much like how cars must be serviced in regular intervals if they are to be operated on shared infrastructure (roads).

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wang_li10y ago

They should simply perform their obligations around providing fixes for the product for the duration of the advertised support period.

tracker110y ago

That said, I'm kind of with GP, I'd rather have most people updated to the current windows, spyware issues aside, it's better for stability/security.

psook10y ago

Because it breaks screenreaders for the blind and it doesn't offer a solution to that.

PhasmaFelisOP10y ago

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