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0 pointsdang9y ago0 comments

Microsoft has no special status on Hacker News. It's true that HN sees a flurry of MS stories on their big conference day, but it's also true of Google, Apple, and Amazon's annual conference days, and maybe others. That's how they all like to do their big tech announcements. Each time it happens, people complain that HN has fallen into the clutches of MS|Google|Apple|Amazon, but nothing has changed at our end. Actually we raise the bar a bit on those days so that only 3 or 4 such stories stay on the front page instead of 7 or 8. They'd probably get more attention overall if they staggered their releases through the year.

There have been a lot of unfavorable stories about MS on HN, including recently. We don't do anything special to penalize them, nor do we let users abuse flagging in the way you suggest. In fact the Windows 10 update nagware saga has appeared numerous times on HN's front page, including multiple stories about clicking 'x' on the dialog box, how it screwed some African satellite operators, etc. The current one fell suddenly off the front page because of software (it set off the flamewar detector).

If MS "infiltrated" HN, it's news to me and I'd like to know about it. It's our job to protect the integrity of this place for the community and we take it seriously. When we see gaming and manipulation we crack down on it hard. But actually the BigCos aren't the ones who do such things. They're (rightly) too risk-averse.

If you think you see evidence of manipulation you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com. When we get emails like that we always look into it.

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frik9y ago

Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845741

This MS story from today also vanished from the frontpage quickly.

I contacted HN (you), I highlighted several vanished posts. You mentioned you see no pattern or unusual activities.

Also this one vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11846199

dangOP9y ago

Those stories fell off the front page because of software that penalizes overheated threads, which tend to be shallow and sensational. That software has been running for years.

Even if an automatic penalty hadn't kicked in, moderators would have penalized that first link (even if we personally agree with what it says). First, it's a duplicate that adds no new information over previous incarnations of the story (which have already appeared more than once on the front page, already an indulgence and certainly not a pro-MS one). Second, it's a garden-variety riler-upper, and those aren't a good fit for HN, as should be well known by now.

None of these mechanisms has anything to do with Microsoft. I'm pretty sure that the bias you're arguing for doesn't exist at our end. How sure are you that you're not simply noticing things because they fit your interpretation?

frik9y ago

Ok, fair enough. It's certainly a fine line. Though, a company is playing a not so nice but well known game, a game it is known for decades. And one can see how reasonable objective comments get downvoted and highly opinionated pro-biased comments get upvoted to influence the audience. And about stories, you rarely see objective stories about that company, because the fear to loose ads or the big gorilla and its lawyers. I will continue using a third party frontend, as HN frontpage hides some of the "heated discussions" or "high voted stories" that got flagged a lot too. But I am here because of the insightful comments and stories.

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0 pointsdang9y ago0 comments

If you think you see evidence of manipulation you should email us at hn@ycombinator.com. When we get emails like that we always look into it.

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frik9y ago

Look: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11845741

This MS story from today also vanished from the frontpage quickly.

I contacted HN (you), I highlighted several vanished posts. You mentioned you see no pattern or unusual activities.

Also this one vanished: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11846199

dangOP9y ago

Those stories fell off the front page because of software that penalizes overheated threads, which tend to be shallow and sensational. That software has been running for years.

frik9y ago

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