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I've seen this directly happen - the interviewers were two Asian and one White male, who came to this job as their first outside college. Looking over the engineering department, I saw, with one exception in fourty, young White or Asian males. The one exception was a lone Asian female, who had a doctorate in CS.
Hiring "People Like Us" doesn't help a company.
IME, that's much more a consequence of the limited diversity of candidates, not a limited diversity of hires. In most places I've worked at, even if they hired all women and blacks (or other non-Asian minorities), there would still be at most approximately 5% women and 0% blacks (the latter would probably be higher in the US).
I have personally been rejected after a phone interview, not because my technical skills were lacking, but because the interviewer didn't like something he heard in our conversation. I could quite literally hear him checking out of the conversation and going back to surfing the internet.
You can find full exams with answers of CCNA and every Microsoft cert imaginable, I've worked for companies that incentivise certifications, and i watched coworkers use these 'tools' en masse to gain easy pay bumps and pad their resumes.
I've had two interviewers ever to ask me technical questions that actually tested my knowledge or capabilities. I look good enough on paper so usually interviews are with a couple managers and if there's a culture fit I'm in. Doesn't matter if i dont know a damn thing, if my resume says MCSE on it.
Microsoft and others further incentivise these certs by giving bonuses and breaks to companies employing certified individuals.
If you think people being hired because they passed a test they cheated on is 'more objective than other fields' then maybe i just have a warped view of how objective other fields are
I agree with you that certifications are crap but I haven't encountered a single good company that cares about them.
When my team would look at candidates, past accomplishments and projects counted for tons more than a cert. Still, a cert told us what someone was interested in and what they wanted to bone up on. They could expect questions relating to that cert field during the call. If they had trouble talking on the subject, then we knew that the cert was likely there to be a pad or just something to fulfill some billet requirement. In good cases we'd find that the cert was an indicator of something they were passionate about.
So I consider it a pointer of sorts. Never worthy of hiring someone on it's own, but I'd recommend them to people who are /ready/ to demonstrate knowledge and may not necessarily have the project experience otherwise. I'd just recommend to them that they be ready to talk to it in an interview.
Vastly fewer responses and recruiters on major sites, but i've got about another 6 months to go on a really interesting couple of projects at my current job, so I'm not too upset about it.
Sometimes it is almost required (see MS certs) to be competitive.
So, they only care because it's a business thing (not a qualification thing) but they do care.
The certificate shouldn't matter in the interview itself - it is just a way to pair down the choices of who you interview when you have many candidates. If you have knowledgeable people in the interview process (i.e. at least have a dev present for a dev interview, not just managers or HR people) then you should be able to catch those that don't really have the skills.
Heck, even people who genuinely have a certificate might be rubbish overall but revised well for the exam days - you'll hopefully weed those out in a good interview process too.
Have you had many IT interviews? I have, they are vastly non-technical interviews.
Unless you count "have you ever used #CommonSoftware? how about #SlightlylessCommonSoftware?" as a technical interview.
I'm an IT administrator, not a programmer, so i'm speaking to my experience in that field, I am not trying to make any claims about how programming interviews work.
I've never had a whiteboard in an interview, I have in two interviews ever been asked to walk through a diagnostic process for problems, or asked any infrastructure or network design/architecture questions.
Its worth noting I work and live in Detroit Michigan, so I'm not exactly interviewing with major technology companies regularly. But I have worked for MSPs which glossed over technical interviews in favor of culture fit as well. (MSPs are especially incentivised to have employees with certs, they get discounts and kickbacks)
I guess maybe i insulted some CCNA or MCSE-ers
That is the illusion many people have convinced themselves of but literally 0 of my coworkers could answer the questions I was asked simply because don't have similar responsibilities despite us applying for literally word-for-word identical job ads.
The reality is, unless you do X regularly, you simply aren't going to be able to impress people with your answer to X.
