only on malloc. If the kernel overcommits, your process will abort when you try to use the memory, possibly way after the malloc and there's nothing you can do about it. That's the point being made here.
> That Rust can't is a design flaw.
(This is false, see Steve's reply above about this)
Rust is supposed to be a general-purpose systems programming language, not a Linux programming language. Windows does not overcommit. A correctly configured Linux system does not overcommit. Lost of embedded systems don't (and can't) overcommit. Are you saying all of these people should avoid Rust's standard library?
> > That Rust can't is a design flaw.
> (This is false, see Steve's reply above about this)
It's clear that my opinion differs from that of many Rust developers and users. I still think I'm correct, that these developers and users are misguided, and that as Rust attempts to fill more niches, experience will show that my position is the correct one.
All I can say is that I personally will not use any language that bakes cornucopian assumptions about memory baked into its core library. I know that you say that it's possible to just avoid stdlib --- but the temptation to use it will be irresistible, and once somebody succumbs to the temptation, the entire program is now capable of aborting irrecoverably.
I will stick with languages . Modern C++ is safe and expressive enough, and it correctly reacts to resource exhaustion.
Sure, but if linux has this issue, then C++ programs on linux will also have this issue, and the language can't solve that. That's all my point was.
> or to change the signature of all memory-allocation function to return Result.
When custom allocators part 2 happens, you can. I've already argued the "real exceptions" part above.
> Rust is supposed to be a general-purpose systems programming language, not a Linux programming language. Windows does not overcommit. A correctly configured Linux system does not overcommit. Lost of embedded systems don't (and can't) overcommit. Are you saying all of these people should avoid Rust's standard library?
No. My point was simply that no language has a complete solution to this problem.
Most people don't need to worry about OOM; abort-on-OOM is the expected behavior. For the people who do, there is a mechanism to handle it, as explained above. I can't help it if you have an idealogical issue with that mechanism. But ultimately, it works and can be used.
I am endlessly frustrated by poorly designed audio software that aborts without saving if an OOM occurs. At the very least, a process should have the oppprtunity to save its state to disk, or ideally continue operating at a reduced capacity (e.g. a video codec might use fewer reference frames) after freeing some resources.
Why even bring Linux into the discussion? A Rust program running on Windows has the same problem.
> No. My point was simply that no language has a complete solution to this problem.
A correct C++ program running on Windows will not spuriously abort. Neither will a C++ program running on a Linux system configured not to overcommit. That some Linux systems can be configured to kill processes at arbitrary times is not an excuse for Rust to be sloppy with memory allocation.
C++ and many other languages do, in fact, have complete solutions to this issue, and that Rust does not is a serious deficiency, one serious enough to prompt me to prefer other languages despite Rust's other advantages.
