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0 pointsrefurb10y ago0 comments

The problem I see with that approach is you are solving some problems (the welfare cliff), but in order to accommodate the edge cases, you're creating a complex program to replace a complex program.

One of the huge benefits of BI is that it's simple, you just give everyone the same amount of money. The more your start layering on exceptions, the more bureaucracy you'll create and you're back to square one.

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MaxGhenis10y ago

Separating (1) children (2) people with disabilities (3) retirees and (4) other adults, is I would say an upper bound on complexity.

The PwD piece falls more under healthcare (which I think should probably just be universal), so if their health-related benefits can be separated out, they would just get the standard basic income.

Retirees only need special consideration for political reasons, since social security may exceed basic income, but it could also be separated out into a supplemental amount to make basic income more universal. Ultimately they could converge to avoid special treatment.

And whether children get the same amount as adults is an open question among BI advocates; I don't have a preference either way and believe it should be studied empirically.

vacri10y ago

'PwD' is inherently complex. I have mild clinical depression - it's a disability, but I don't need any welfare for it. That's one end of the spectrum. The other end is the GP's quadriplegic brother.

There should simply not be a 'PwD' element to BI - that should be a separate item altogether, otherwise it's just the thin end of the wedge. Leave it in healthcare-based welfare where it belongs, where both complexity is expected and health issues are better understood.

MaxGhenis10y ago

Agreed, though I'd hope that some lessons from basic income could be used in the disability benefit sphere too. The welfare cliffs are devastating and produce severe underemployment among PwD.

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0 pointsrefurb10y ago0 comments

The problem I see with that approach is you are solving some problems (the welfare cliff), but in order to accommodate the edge cases, you're creating a complex program to replace a complex program.

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MaxGhenis10y ago

Separating (1) children (2) people with disabilities (3) retirees and (4) other adults, is I would say an upper bound on complexity.

The PwD piece falls more under healthcare (which I think should probably just be universal), so if their health-related benefits can be separated out, they would just get the standard basic income.

And whether children get the same amount as adults is an open question among BI advocates; I don't have a preference either way and believe it should be studied empirically.

vacri10y ago

'PwD' is inherently complex. I have mild clinical depression - it's a disability, but I don't need any welfare for it. That's one end of the spectrum. The other end is the GP's quadriplegic brother.

MaxGhenis10y ago

Agreed, though I'd hope that some lessons from basic income could be used in the disability benefit sphere too. The welfare cliffs are devastating and produce severe underemployment among PwD.

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