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0 pointstheseatoms10y ago0 comments

The reduced sense of self-worth is likely a result of the cultural stigma against joblessness.

Hopefully, merely collecting a universal/basic income will not be similarly stigmatized.

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creshal10y ago· 1 in thread

How long is it going to take for society to accept it as the new norm? Decades?

theseatomsOP10y ago

Five to ten years would be my guess.

djrogers10y ago· 1 in thread

> The reduced sense of self-worth is likely a result of the cultural stigma against joblessness.

And is this a problem? Societally speaking, shame and stigma are great motivators. If we remove them as motivation for work, will society really be better off?

Riseed10y ago

Isaac Newton was neither shamed nor stigmatized into developing calculus. Most of that work was done during "idle" time, while his university was closed for the Plague.

I daresay society's great achievements are not derived from shame and stigma. What real benefit does society derive from meaningless jobs [1]? We've tried shame and stigma. We should see whether society is better off when the thinkers and doers are free to use their time thinking and doing what they feel called to think and do.

[0] http://cudl.lib.cam.ac.uk/view/MS-ADD-04004/1

[1] http://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

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