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> This can occasionally be an issue for people unaware of the update schedule - I agree.

> A small learning curve of "reset before turning off for the night on Tuesdays" alleviates that problem...

No. The problem remains. This just time-shifts the problem.

In recent memory, I've had two Patch Tuesdays that sent Windows into a 5+ deep post-boot-but-pre-login reboot loop while Windows tried to figure out how to apply several patches that would just not apply. (Spoiler alert: It never figured out how, but just -eventually- gave up.)

It doesn't matter what technical decisions and constraints lead to this post-boot-but-pre-login configuration process being the way things work, it's still awful.

Every Linux distro I use seems to have figured out how to apply and configure updates before you reboot a system, rather than during the next boot cycle.

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Nadya10y ago· 2 in thread

>No. The problem remains. This just time-shifts the problem.

The time was the problem in the example, so time-shifting is a legitimate fix to the problem here. "In a rush for work, turn on computer, 30 minutes of updates." was the problem.

>Every Linux distro I use seems to have figured out how to apply and configure updates before you reboot a system, rather than during the next boot cycle.

There are tradeoffs for doing things that way. Such as when everything eats shit and you regret updating.

For example:

  pacman -Syu

Can be a complete nightmare.

simoncionOP10y ago

> There are tradeoffs for doing things that way. Such as when everything eats shit and you regret updating.

Bad updates are bad updates, regardless of whether you do the configuration after a reboot (rendering the computer useless while you configure), or while the system is still running.

Not that it matters, but I've had far more bad updates on my Windows systems than I have on any of my Linux systems. :)

> ...time-shifting is a legitimate fix to the problem here.

It's not a fix. It's a band-aid that fails to address the root of the problem.

tdkl10y ago

> There are tradeoffs for doing things that way. Such as when everything eats shit and you regret updating. For example: pacman -Syu Knowing that you're on a rolling release distro is one thing, but being used to a "LTS" system (Windows 7,8x) then "upgrading" to a rolling release (Windows 10) is something else.

The trust in MS for being capable and responsible for handling the updates is broken.

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