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0 pointsesailija10y ago0 comments

There's plenty of studies that debunk the mental rotation myth:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/09/100915080431.ht...

http://www.researchgate.net/profile/Angelica_Moe/publication...

There's also a study showing the field of neuroscience having a tendency to make unsupported and untested claims to confirm stereotypes http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12152-012-9169-1

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no1ne10y ago

http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2015/08/scien... Is this also stereotypical? Read what the researcher(a woman by the way)had to say. For 20 years, she actively avoided studying sex differences in the brain until her own data showed her that differences between females and males were real. Let science be about cold-hard facts and let it not be muddied by "feelings".

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oldmanjay10y ago

there's a pretty big difference between "debunk[ing] the ... myth" and showing the effect is real and can be reduced via training. in particular, your second link says the differences are probably real in its conclusion!

esailijaOP10y ago

The myth is that the differences (in mental rotation ability) are innate or "biological", not that there is differences (in mental rotation ability) in the first place.

oldmanjay10y ago

If one gender displays innate ability and the other can be trained to match it, then the difference is not shown to be a myth. There is a very dishonest redefinition of a common word involved to make the meaning apply.

Political fictions are comfortable but don't really change facts, they just color interpretations. Mischaracterizing observation does not serve to make an argument appear stronger.

Note that none of this means women are inferior, and if you are construing my point to mean I am arguing for that position, you have imposed that on me.

no1ne10y ago

>> myth is that the differences are innate or "biological"

erm...please read

1. Genomic differences between developing male and female brains in the womb-- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203190223.ht...

and if you still feel that somehow humans try to gender stereotype whilst the fetus are still in the wombs, then read this also-

2.Sex differences in rhesus monkey toy preferences parallel those of children-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/

esailijaOP10y ago

I was referring to mental rotation ability, I clarified it in an edit.

I also don't have time to go into the studies you linked about general differences but similar studies have been debunked before. For example with 1.5 day old infants where the experimenters knew about the sex and their bias subtly corrupted the experiment and it did not reproduce when the bias was truly accounted for.

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no1ne10y ago

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esailijaOP10y ago

The myth is that the differences (in mental rotation ability) are innate or "biological", not that there is differences (in mental rotation ability) in the first place.

oldmanjay10y ago

Political fictions are comfortable but don't really change facts, they just color interpretations. Mischaracterizing observation does not serve to make an argument appear stronger.

Note that none of this means women are inferior, and if you are construing my point to mean I am arguing for that position, you have imposed that on me.

no1ne10y ago

>> myth is that the differences are innate or "biological"

erm...please read

1. Genomic differences between developing male and female brains in the womb-- http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150203190223.ht...

and if you still feel that somehow humans try to gender stereotype whilst the fetus are still in the wombs, then read this also-

2.Sex differences in rhesus monkey toy preferences parallel those of children-- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2583786/

esailijaOP10y ago

I was referring to mental rotation ability, I clarified it in an edit.

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